Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
100% true...
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
👆
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
👆
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
The truth unleashed...
🙂
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
👆
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Lets talk about the AI...I call BS on Jarvis being a far more advanced AI...
The Future Sentinels were built to be highly effective killing machines (thus there was no need to have them speak, they can devote all of their processing power to killing) and appear to be highly optimized for the task...
The Future Sentinels have superior combat feats than Jarvis, Ultron, his Clones, or Vision...
In my minds eye this speaks to some combination of superior progamming and/or superior processing power which results in speedier/more accurate combat actions...
The proof is in the pudding, the Sentinels combat feats shit all over Ultron and his Clones:
Pish. What nonsense. So you're basically saying the proof that sentinels have advanced AI is because they can fight well?
Well Vision not only can fight well, he can also talk, form opinions and even develop feelings. None of the sentinels have shown such complex intelligence as that. They're good at fighting. Awesome. Just means they're a one trick pony. You just dug your own grave.
I see you also skipped completely over the other points I raised (like how both Ultron and Vision aren't powered by electricity as well).
Originally posted by Robtard
While I would tend to agree, the Sentinels did possess technology far more advanced than Jarvis and the IM armor with their ability to seemingly copy any mutant power. So while their computing power hasn'y shown to be above Ultron's vast abilities, the technology could potentially be alien and beyond him.The closes thing I can think of would be Vision's (as Ultron created the body) ability to alter his tangibility and density, but even the Sentinels could have for example mimicked Pryde's ability to pass through walls. Though not sure if that power is inherent to the body or if it comes from the stone, I would err on the side of the stone unless outright specified.
More of a food for thought, than saying you're outright incorrect.
Like I said before, the ability to mimic mutant powers would be more a hardware technology. I mean sure, you still need to pair that up with some heavy duty processing and computing but you're basically dealing with just a very specific train of commands whereas when your AI is capable of forming opinions of it's own and even feelings, then that is way way more complex than simply being a good killing machine.
And in a hacking battle, it will be the AI that will be the deciding factor, not so much the hardware.
Let me put it this way: Humankind has already developed AI that can mimic fighting techniques. Just look at games like Tekken and Soul Calibur. Granted those are not real fighting but still, it proves that the software technology is already there. But till now we have not yet developed AI that can produce it's own opinions let alone develop feelings.
So no matter how good the sentinels may look at fighting (and Vision is no slouch at fighting either), their AI has nothing to compare to Vision being able to form his own opinions and feelings.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Pish. What nonsense. So you're basically saying the proof that sentinels have advanced AI is because they can fight well?Well Vision not only can fight well, he can also talk, form opinions and even develop feelings. None of the sentinels have shown such complex intelligence as that. They're good at fighting. Awesome. Just means they're a one trick pony. You just dug your own grave.
I see you also skipped completely over the other points I raised (like how both Ultron and Vision aren't powered by electricity as well).
Its not nonsense; the Future Sentinels AI is geared exclusively towards combat and killing...
They are not designed to reason and talk to beings in their environment, they arent designed to feel love, they are designed to kill...
And yes, the Sentinels do fight very well; better than we've ever seen Ultron, his Clones, Jarvis or Vision fight...
Now why do the Sentinels fight better than them?
Its either superior programming, superior processing power, or some combination of the two...
You say that Jarvis, Vision, and Ultron are superior because they talk!?
I say BS; Jarvis, Vision, and Ultron are simply optimized differently...
The Future Sentinels fighting very well is a directly reflection of their powerful AI/computational ability...
And in this regard, the Future Sentinels shine brighter than Jarvis, Vision, Ultron, and all of his Clones based on combat feats...
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Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said before, the ability to mimic mutant powers would be more a hardware technology. I mean sure, you still need to pair that up with some heavy duty processing and computing but you're basically dealing with just a very specific train of commands whereas when your AI is capable of forming opinions of it's own and even feelings, then that is way way more complex than simply being a good killing machine.And in a hacking battle, it will be the AI that will be the deciding factor, not so much the hardware.
Let me put it this way: Humankind has already developed AI that can mimic fighting techniques. Just look at games like Tekken and Soul Calibur. Granted those are not real fighting but still, it proves that the software technology is already there. But till now we have not yet developed AI that can produce it's own opinions let alone develop feelings.
So no matter how good the sentinels may look at fighting (and Vision is no slouch at fighting either), their AI has nothing to compare to Vision being able to form his own opinions and feelings.
I disagree...
I'd argue that the Sentinels superior precision and combat capabilities when compared to the machines in AoU is a direct result of superior processing power and/or superior combat algorithms...
In that sense, the Future Sentinels are more advanced than Ultron or Vision or Jarvis...
Even when the Sentinels are not using powers, they are still brutally effective killers (remember when the lone FS killed Blink in the opening battle; it didnt use any powers to kill her); much more effective than Ultron and his Clones for certain...
As pertains combat, the Sentinels are more advanced than Ultron, Jarvis, Vision, or the Ultron Clones based on feats...
Originally posted by juggerman
How long would it take for Ultron to hack the Sentinels? I think he would only need contact with one to access them all right? I highly doubt he would need to grab them all one by one.
Thats pure speculation...
Even the pro "Ultron hacks the Sentinels" clan cant even give a straight answer as to how this would be done under combat conditions...
Obviously he'd have to interface with them while fighting the Future Sentinels themselves, avoiding Magneto's power (good luck with that), and dealing with Apocalypse...
In other words its pure BS; BS that was generated by Silent Master...
According to him, Ultron would just magically, instantly, hack them all and turn them against Mags and Apoc...
Of course Ultron has never successfully hacked anything as unconventional or advanced as a Future Sentinel...
And Ultron is also 0-1 when it comes to hacking techo-organic beings (and the Sentinels themselves are techo-organic)...
Despite that, they are still grasping at straws as they just dont want to admit that the Xmen foes are clearly superior to the Avenger foes and dont want to concede defeat...