Order These Races By Power

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Riv's completely on point. The Kryptonians come in last, for a variety of reason. 👆.

His mental gymnastics are impressive, but that's it. Kryptonians>>Martians.

Of course Martian Mind would say that.

Put them all in a neutral environment. One that doesn't massively amp a single species. Where do they sit?

His point is valid, regardless of how hard the Super-fans wish otherwise. 👆

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Put them all in a neutral environment. One that doesn't massively amp a single species. Where do they sit?

His point is valid, regardless of how hard the Super-fans wish otherwise. 👆

Spoken like a true Martian Manhunter straw grasper. I'm sure this makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that the best Martian got treated with less respect than a prison shower rape victim during the attack by the at best #5 Kryptonian, who was a 16 year old petite girl.

I'm actually more a Martian fan than a Kryptonian/Superman one. New Gods are my favorite, though. But playing at their best, Kryptonians take this.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Spoken like a true Martian Manhunter straw grasper. I'm sure this makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that the best Martian got treated with less respect than a prison shower rape victim during the attack by the at best #5 Kryptonian, who was a 16 year old petite girl.

👆 😂

That anger is delicious. Someone busts the Krytonian circle-jerk, and the tears begin to flow 😂

The Kryptonians lose, sunshine. By all means though, keep trying. It's worth a laugh, at least. 👆.

Where do you rank the average Martian? And why?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
That anger is delicious. Someone busts the Krytonian circle-jerk, and the tears begin to flow 😂

The Kryptonians lose, sunshine. By all means though, keep trying. It's worth a laugh, at least. 👆.

😆 You're also a great mental gymnast. It speaks volumes that you have to go to those lengths to convince yourself. 👆

What gymnastics? It's sound logic. Without a yellow sun, they're a non-factor. The other races are internally powered, and thus superior in a neutral environment.

Do you dispute this?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
What gymnastics? It's sound logic. Without a yellow sun, they're a non-factor. The other races are internally powered, and thus superior in a neutral environment.

Do you dispute this?

It's mental gymnastics because you know J'onn can't cut it under normal circumstances. Drop Superman and J'onn in a sunless environment, Superman beats him before J'onn can become a threat. Superman artificially aged and weakened until he couldn't even fly still outperformed J'onn against Preus.

But keep telling yourself whatever you have to so you can feel better.

Is this a one-on-one confrontation? If so, that's entire irrelevant.

Put a group of random Kryptonians against any random group of these races in a sunless environment. Who wins?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Is this a one-on-one confrontation? If so, that's entire irrelevant.

Put a group of random Kryptonians against any random group of these races in a sunless environment. Who wins?

I understand. You don't have anything to legitimately argue your case. You have to make them powerless. But you drop them in, Kryptonians still have power reserves. Gor, barely above a random No-Name, has embarrassingly out-performed the top Martian. Almost bottom of the barrel Kryptonian>top Martian, yeah, they still win. Are you going to make it we wait until their powers deplete before the fight starts too? 😆 It must kill you that J'onn is still below meh Kryptonians.

It's canonically established that Superman only lasts under a red sun due to the reserves he's built over the years. Other Kryptonians lose their powers instantly. Also, why would the Kryptonians be empowered to begin with? Krypton doesn't have a yellow sun. They'd appear in their base, powerless state.

Do you have any thing of worth to add, or will it just be more feeble bait attempts? I'll judge based off your reply, but atm it's looking like a solid loss for the Kryptonian side.

So, MM, you think, honestly, hand on your heart, that OP wanted to put unamped Kryps (who are basically baseline humans) up against literal gods, the 1001 power pack, and...well, ok, the Skrulls? And then ask who was more powerful?

That's like going into every thread that just says 'Hal Jordan', and claiming that the ring amps him. Drop the ring, and let's go!

*looks at OP* Ok, maybe you have a point.

Eh, it's still a valid point. They're asking about power, and Kryptonian power is dependant on a sun. It's a relevant point to the question, one that would be considered valid if not for Krypton's relation to the S-shield.

Doesn't matter where they get their power, the OP wants all races operating at their best.

So it's burning Martians?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, MM, you think, honestly, hand on your heart, that OP wanted to put unamped Kryps (who are basically baseline humans) up against literal gods, the 1001 power pack, and...well, ok, the Skrulls? And then ask who was more powerful?

Originally posted by Zack M
We use characters at their best, though. Obviously Kryptonians have powers or this wouldn't be fun.

Originally posted by Zack M
Last time we saw the Kryptonians, they all were under a yellow sun. All had powers. So, we use that.

Its like someone coming in and saying Asgardians rate higher if theyre all wearing armor carrying weapons, because last time we saw Asgardians en masse they were geared up for war.
AFTER trying to debate individual Asgardian characters.
We all know how THAT would play out here.

Now, if Teth comes in and says 'i meant powered Kryptonians' then thats fine, i'd amend my list and put them second, under Martians, because like bluewaverider posted:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's a problem here, though.

1. Nearly all the powers that Kryptonians have are powers that Martians ALSO have and in comparable magnitude. Flight, speed, super strength, heat vision, intangibility, healing. In which of these areas do Krptonians demonstrate any true superiority?

2. As pointed out earlier, Kryptonians only have their power in certain environments. Martians have power in nearly all of them.

3.. The powers that Martians have which Kryptonians do NOT are powers that trump Kryptonians in battle. Namely telepathy and mind control.
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Originally posted by Zack M
Doesn't matter where they get their power, the OP wants all races operating at their best.