Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, it really doesn't matter. Normally it should be under a neutra szenario, so no red sun I would say as the average suns seen in comics are yellow.The only way the Kryptonians are below the others is if you put them under a red sun and forbid them to use their tech.
Originally posted by riv6672
If its a truly neutral environment, then the Kryptonians wouldnt be amped. Because thats what a Kryptonian under a yellow sun is. Amped.
Or a Kryptonian under a red sun is depowered. You can see it both ways. In a yellow sun they would be amped or very near it imo. Inside a red sun, they would be dead.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Or a Kryptonian under a red sun is depowered. You can see it both ways. In a yellow sun they would be amped or very near it imo. Inside a red sun, they would be dead.
Theyre the only race on the OPs 4 race list that are dependant on an outside power source to 'win' this and be listed at (or near) the top.
The three other races straight up have super powers, period.
Originally posted by riv6672
And you're resorting to name calling and deliberately misunderstanding my point(s) the moment the conversation doesn't go your way.
Concession accepted.
Black pot. No I made a point which is valid, if you can't understand it, well *shrug. You are free to see it the other way around but the Kryptonians stay Kryptonians.
^^^Deflection. Again, concession accepted.
Put me down for another acceptance to your inevitable conceding reply, as i'm getting ready to log off for the morning, and wanna hit the OTF before i head out. Always a pleasure having an easy posting exchange with you.
If Teth says he wants amped Kryptonians and all the other races on average while i'm gone, then my list changes to Martians, Kryptonians, Skrulls, Asgardians. 😛
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Kryps, at base, have the science and the tech to create yellow suns.There, problem solved.
Supes is the Cap A of the Kryps, true, but then, MM is the Cap of the Martians. No other Martian save Fernus has the number of feats he has.
And yet, he comes up short every time in direct confrontation.
I disagree with just about everything you wrote in this post.
In fact, there's so much wrong here, that, if time and TurboImageHost.com permit (please note one or both IS liable to cut out on me before I get as far as I like) I'll revisit this message several times till I hit a satisfactory number of points.
For starters, assuming you mean J'onnz seems to be so much physically superior to other Martians that he seems to be superhuman in comparison, let's see what happens when a random Martian or two actually takes on a Kryptonian, even if that Kryptonian is experienced in fighting superhumans, and is expecting trouble, and has his eyes ON random Martian, over 100 miles away, AND the support of Batman in his cool flying jet:
Source: JLA #2
Writer: Grant Morrison
Circa: 1997
(Superman versus Primaid and Protex / Justice League versus Hyperclan)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reasoning such as mine?I merely said that the top of the Kryp food chain, as it were, was Superman. He's peak Kryp.
Top of the Martian food chain is J'onn.
As Cap is to us, so are they to their races.
We can't say all Kryps have the feats that Supes has, nor can we say that all Martians have J'onn's feats.
And yet, the top of the Martian food chain does not stack up to the top of the Kryp food chain - or even the upper tiers.
TurboImage seems to have wet the bed again.
Sucks because that's the only Image Host Provider I know of that lets you upload multiple images at once, readable by phone as if you were using a laptop, readable by the unregistered general public, which doesn't require you to download any application.
I'm trying tinypic.com here; my first attempt at posting the visual spreads instead of the plain blue hyperlinks. Doesn't allow multiple simultaneous image uploading, and I'm using it at "default" so I have no idea what this will look like:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By using telepathy to first weaken him with Kryptonite illusions, as they couldn't match him without it? Ok.
Superman is even nice enough to say he won't use his heat vision.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderYour position here is that J'onn is inferior to White Martians?
I'll gladly stomp you on that point.
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I'll even propose a battlezone:
kryptonians vs martians - who are superior on average.
the loser has to leave the forum for 6 months [I'd be willing to go for a permaban, but I don't think you have the guts]
up for it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By using telepathy to first weaken him with Kryptonite illusions, as they couldn't match him without it? Ok.
I think you missed the part where Primaid, WITHOUT any observable use of telepathy or illusion, cratered Superman, by simply plowing into him fists-first, long enough for her partner to dogfight Batman and waste his plane.
That's okay.
I probably need the practice in using the TinyPic IHP anyway.
Here, take a look again at Primaid stunning Superman despite him looking right at her:
Sadly, TinyPic.com visual splashes do NOT have the universal accessibility of TurboImageHost splashes. So, let me supply Primaid versus J'onn as direct hyperlinks:
http://i63.tinypic.com/30hsgaa.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/qswnfb.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/33f7uau.jpg
Source: Amazing Spider-Man #6
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: Steve Ditko
Circa: 1963
http://i67.tinypic.com/64dqc2.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/34ydy82.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/2yxj7t0.jpg
Source: Amazing Spider-Man #45
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: John Romita, Sr.
Circa: 1967
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Pain in the neck not being able to directly quote you, Phil.
Superman beats Protex by exposing him to high temperatures.
No one in this thread has established a universal definition of powerful; I understand you trying to use this.
I would refer people to Superman/Batman #13, where, if memory serves, Superman is able to take a Darkseid who has been weakened by Wonder Woman reflecting his own Omega Beams back at him, and then is further stressed by Superman fighting him near the sun. How many would argue Superman is more powerful than Darkseid sans these aids?
I suppose we'll get to find out ...
You'd be hard pressed to convince the average Spider-Man reader, though.
There's an easy memorable proof that greater tolerance for temperature extremes does not, by itself, necessarily translate into "more powerful".
Are you familiar with The Lizard?
Fairly well-established who is more powerful between he and Spider-Man, even from their first encounter:
Is Spider-Man "more powerful" than the Lizard because the following happens in their rematch?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I disagree with just about everything you wrote in this post.In fact, there's so much wrong here, that, if time and TurboImageHost.com permit (please note one or both IS liable to cut out on me before I get as far as I like) I'll revisit this message several times till I hit a satisfactory number of points.
For starters, assuming you mean J'onnz seems to be so much physically superior to other Martians that he seems to be superhuman in comparison, let's see what happens when a random Martian or two actually takes on a Kryptonian, even if that Kryptonian is experienced in fighting superhumans, and is expecting trouble, and has his eyes ON random Martian, over 100 miles away, AND the support of Batman in his cool flying jet:
Source: JLA #2
Writer: Grant Morrison
Circa: 1997(Superman versus Primaid and Protex / Justice League versus Hyperclan)
And when Superman hit her (ONCE), he took he out (note too, her attempt at using her various powers that Kryps don't have):
https://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/34431589_image.jpg
And shall I post how J'onn, after being tortured and held captive, managed to take several White Martians (who were amped, IIRC) down?
Or, earlier, how he takes some members of the same Hyperclan down, after they mock him for being a pacifist greenie? He took Armek out 1 on 1 in the desert, for example.
But you should take Phildo's challenge up.
