As for Superboy beating J'onn ...
I'm not at all convinced Nu52 Superboy is representative of Nu52 Kryptonians.
His power is pretty heavily based on TK.
He's more like Jean Grey than Superman or your generic Kryptonian.
Then again, it might not be of that much benefit to use Superboy even IF you want to argue he should be counted.
The following is from JLA #58, if memory serves:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pre-52 Superboy's powers were also TK.However, nu52 =/=Pre 52.
Quite true; which is why it was a little surprising to see Phil mix showings like that. He also threw in what Nu52 Zod did to J'onn ...
I'm wondering if he knows how badly Nu52 Superman got treated. I don't recall J'onn being left with a broken arm, for instance ...
1). @bluewatermoron, learn how to formulate an argument, instead of spamming the thread with images from Spiderman, which have nothing to do with the discussion, no matter how desperate you want it to be.
2). don't ignore my challenge. say yes, or no. are you a coward?
3). learn how to quote without using the button.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pain in the neck not being able to directly quote you, Phil.Superman beats Protex by exposing him to high temperatures.
- Superman has given Protex the proposition of a fair fight, and he didn't use his heat vision. Even under those circumstances, Protex lost.
- Superman has beaten White Martians by straight out overpowering them:
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvswhitemartian1.jpg.html
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvswhitemartian2.jpg.html
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/supesvswhitemartian3.jpg.html
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
No one in this thread has established a universal definition of powerful; I understand you trying to use this.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
As for Superboy beating J'onn ...I'm not at all convinced Nu52 Superboy is representative of Nu52 Kryptonians.
His power is pretty heavily based on TK.He's more like Jean Grey than Superman or your generic Kryptonian.
Then again, it might not be of that much benefit to use Superboy even IF you want to argue he should be counted.
The following is from JLA #58, if memory serves:
1). You moron, the images you used are not of the same Superboy. Those are different characters, from different continuities. He also got sucker shot there, which is not an indication of how a fight would go.
2). Yes, Superboy isn't even a full kryptonian - yet he beats the shit out of Martian Manhunter physically. The same Superboy was getting punched around by Supergirl.
- There's a theme of not-fully-powered kryptonians beating the shit out of J'on, as it was with Zod:
But feel free to ignore this, like a coward.
The same way you did the challenge.
Will you take the challenge, or coward your way out of this? You get to pick the ban period - I'm ok with 6 months, a year, or even permaban.
Originally posted by JBL
Supermans Race has NO powers as a Race. What is so hard to see that they come in dead last? All the other races were born with powers, that cannot be said about Supermans Race. Dead last, even the Human race would be above them because of mutants. WOW! Even a child would understand this.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
...then why did OP include them?
But unlike Teth, the posters here are continuing to put them first once its been explained why they arent really even in the running. Thats stupidity.
Originally posted by JBL
What good did in do them when their planet exploded? Why didnt they fly away under their own power? As a Race that cell thing is useless.
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Pretty much.
If you ask who is more powerful, the race that can shapeshift, turn intangible, invisible, have Martian vision etc etc etc...
Vs the race which are basically souped up photosynthesisers, without giving them the source of their power (so base Martian vs base Kryp)...
That's pretty stupid.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆Pretty much.
If you ask who is more powerful, the race that can shapeshift, turn intangible, invisible, have Martian vision etc etc etc...
Vs the race which are basically souped up photosynthesisers, without giving them the source of their power (so base Martian vs base Kryp)...
That's pretty stupid.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
The cells being able to absorb solar radiation is a power
👆 Easy to understand. They are depowered under a red sun, empowered by a yellow, buffed by close proximity to a yellow sun and hugely amped by sundipping.
Fun fact. The Kryptonians were already superhuman in strength and the peak of evolution the red sun depower twist was added later into their origin.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
No but if they were under a normal sun they would have, anyway this is krypton under a sun that gives them powers or else this is basically humans with high end tech
Which is what I was trying to tell a certain poster. 👆
Thanks for clarifying. Shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
