Plainly put. Thor is several cuts above her villain of the week. And he has several abilities/weapons tailor made to f*ck her up. Like lightning, which Thor is easily Livewire's equal. Or Mjolnir absorbing her heat vision and bouncing it right back. Or Thor just fighting so much better than her and hitting harder than vow's who give her a helluva hard time.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's also an apples and oranges comparison, though. A episodic tv series vs a two hour movie.By this argument, MCU Thor rapes comic Thor because "consistancy".
Not at all. Comics operate on a much higher level on average.
What I'm saying is, Kara constantly(like Flash as it's a TV show and the plot has to go on each weeks) gets hit an awful lot by people, and gets hurt by all types things. Thor is easily one of the toughest things Kara has fought, and he has a lot of powers that Kara has no defense against. Also yes, consistency helps, as 4 movies of solid feats helps him immensely.
Yeah, Supergirl and Flash have the same problems. They're both potentially super powerful and yet they constantly have problems with villains way below their implied power class.
And while it's nice to just focus on Supergirl's or Flash's few best high end feats, we can't ignore the fact that they constantly have trouble with foes that Thor would probably demolish with ease.
Yeah, but we know that characters with super speed are going to take hits. It's more or less the nature of the beast if you're going to have some conflict.
Look at comic Superman or Flash. Just using post crisis preNu versions..both have been hit hundreds(if not more) of times by villains who actually shouldn't have any business hurting them. Characters on tv shows also have way more appearances. The flash show as of right now has 62 episodes. Assuming an average of 40 minutes per episode, and assuming your average film is 2 hours long(they aren't, but I'm being generous) this would mean Flash has over 20 films worth of feats.
Flash does get tagged a lot in this tv show, but unless it's done by someone with actual super speed of their own I chalk it up to PIS. If we do not do that, technically you could make a fight with TV Flash and argue that even a normal human could hit him.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, but we know that characters with super speed are going to take hits. It's more or less the nature of the beast if you're going to have some conflict.Look at comic Superman or Flash. Just using post crisis preNu versions..both have been hit hundreds(if not more) of times by villains who actually shouldn't have any business hurting them. Characters on tv shows also have way more appearances. The flash show as of right now has 62 episodes. Assuming an average of 40 minutes per episode, and assuming your average film is 2 hours long(they aren't, but I'm being generous) this would mean Flash has over 20 films worth of feats.
Flash does get tagged a lot in this tv show, but unless it's done by someone with actual super speed of their own I chalk it up to PIS. If we do not do that, technically you could make a fight with TV Flash and argue that even a normal human could hit him.
If it happens just once or twice we could chalk it up to PIS. But when it happens about every other time then that's far too often to keep excusing it as PIS.
Originally posted by FrothByteI disagree. When he has feats like taking out a hundred + metas at the same time, and moving so fast that lightning looks slow, getting hit by a burglar for the sake of the plot is always character or plot induced stupidity. It's the definition of it. It wouldn't happen if they were consistent.
If it happens just once or twice we could chalk it up to PIS. But when it happens about every other time then that's far too often to keep excusing it as PIS.
Then again, they clearly say mach 3 is the fastest he can supposedly go, so maybe the PIS is actually working backwards and making him out to be more powerful than he actually is. Thats the first time I've ever really seen anything like that. Super hero TV shows like Flash or Smallville are always consistantly inconsistant (lol).
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I disagree. When he has feats like taking out a hundred + metas at the same time, and moving so fast that lightning looks slow, getting hit by a burglar for the sake of the plot is always character or plot induced stupidity. It's the definition of it. It wouldn't happen if they were consistent.Then again, they clearly say mach 3 is the fastest he can supposedly go, so maybe the PIS is actually working backwards and making him out to be more powerful than he actually is. Thats the first time I've ever really seen anything like that. Super hero TV shows like Flash or Smallville are always consistantly inconsistant (lol).
The speed numbers they throw out on The Flash mean virtually nothing at this point. In season 2, he had to hit Mach 3.3 to do that bridge crossing thing, and that was when he was still like 3 times slower than Zoom was supposed to be, who he was matching after regaining his powers. They just seem to arbitrarily through out numbers that sound fast, even if it's wildly inconsistent both in continuity, and with regards to feats.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If it happens just once or twice we could chalk it up to PIS. But when it happens about every other time then that's far too often to keep excusing it as PIS.
If he'd just shown speed on the level of "no human should be able to hit me" once or twice I'd agree. But that isn't the case at all. On top of the other feats mentioned he's been able to react quick enough to catch a bullet that was fired at him from point blank range.
Comic Flash hasn't been hit once or twice. Or even just a dozen times. The new DCU is only a little over 5 years old, I bet you could still find dozens of times(if not more) of Flash getting tagged by non-speedsters just from the last couple of years.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
The speed numbers they throw out on The Flash mean virtually nothing at this point. In season 2, he had to hit Mach 3.3 to do that bridge crossing thing, and that was when he was still like 3 times slower than Zoom was supposed to be, who he was matching after regaining his powers. They just seem to arbitrarily through out numbers that sound fast, even if it's wildly inconsistent both in continuity, and with regards to feats.
It's also strange that one can apparently time travel by going Mach 3.
It's not 3 vs 150 though, not by a long shot. At least not where the Flash is concerned. But anyways, Supergirl is the one in the thread, and I've only seen a few episodes of that show. And from what I saw, in terms of actual combat showings, Thor should win.
Originally posted by Surtur
It's also strange that one can apparently time travel by going Mach 3.
It also doesn't track at all with things like the latest crossover episodes, where Flash and Supergirl raced to different cities all over the planet in what seemed like a few minutes, in order to place those little chip things on the Dominators. You'd have to be moving MUCH faster than Mach 3 to do that.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It also doesn't track at all with things like the latest crossover episodes, where Flash and Supergirl raced to different cities all over the planet in what seemed like a few minutes, in order to place those little chip things on the Dominators. You'd have to be moving MUCH faster than Mach 3 to do that.
Yeah, and on top of that we have his feats from fighting Dr. Light when he creates a shitload of after images all over the place.
Originally posted by cdtm
PIS isn't only determined by number of showings, but by whether they track with power sets and basic internal logic.Spidey can beat down heralds for the next 20 years, and it would still be PIS.
Well I dunno, if Spider-Man suddenly started beating herald level beings on a regular basis and this went on for 20 years..I would say yeah it doesn't make sense,but those would be his power levels.
Or look at Batman. He is supposed to be a normal human. Well trained, but not superhuman. Yet for decades the man has racked up feats no normal human should be able to accomplish. But we do not ignore those because Batman is supposed to be a non-superhuman.
So i take it Supergirl's fighting ability still hasn't improved in her show's second season. I'm going off the Metallo, Parasite, and crossover battles that she's had so if there's was any improvement from those then she might not loose to bad.
As it stand Thor still wins due to being the better fighter and having more consistent showing of power despite his opponents superior stats.