Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Probably. But as I already pointed out, I have no problem if people use other feats as a reference to determine someone's durability, as long as it gets applied to both sides. Which, as we all know, is not what he did. In fact, I don't recall a single person actually having a problem with him using hits from Batman as a reference for Bane's durability. People had an issue with the fact that he was doing it while not only failing to post clips of those so-called "superhuman" feats that prove that taking hits from Batman means he could take hits from the metal arm (which multiple posters, including myself, repeatedly asked him to provide), but also trying to pull the "fluctuating power levels" shtick with Bucky's feats, to either lowball or dismiss them, and arbitrarily making stuff up, like the "2 to 4 times stronger" number, without quantifiable proof, and then trying to use his cooked up numbers as fact.But anyway, he is on Ignore for me now, so I only see his posts if I am either not logged in, or happen to see him quoted by someone else. Regardless, I am done addressing him directly.
You can't a character's highest feat and equate it to another scene. You can only use average feats and equate them. That goes for me too.
Batman koed many thugs in a matter of seconds. Look at BB at Batman's first appearance.
Only an idiot wouldn't know 2 to 4 times stronger. That's a common sense type of argument.
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't a character's highest feat and equate it to another scene. You can only use average feats and equate them. That goes for me too.Batman koed many thugs in a matter of seconds. Look at BB at Batman's first appearance.
Only an idiot wouldn't know 2 to 4 times stronger. That's a common sense type of argument.
A professional heavyweight boxer can KO your average joes with one punch as well. So Batman KO'ing many thugs in a few seconds may be a good skill feat but it's not really proof that he has superhuman strength. Cracking concrete on the other hand is a whole nother strength level.
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't a character's highest feat and equate it to another scene. You can only use average feats and equate them. That goes for me too.Batman koed many thugs in a matter of seconds. Look at BB at Batman's first appearance.
Only an idiot wouldn't know 2 to 4 times stronger. That's a common sense type of argument.
I'm still waiting for that quote.
Originally posted by FrothByte
A professional heavyweight boxer can KO your average joes with one punch as well. So Batman KO'ing many thugs in a few seconds may be a good skill feat but it's not really proof that he has superhuman strength. Cracking concrete on the other hand is a whole nother strength level.
Pretty much.
He also seems to fail to grasp the problem with assigning a strength ratio between two characters without providing quantifiable evidence to support his assertion.
Originally posted by FrothByteI never claim Batman had superhuman strength because he can KO a human in one blow.
A professional heavyweight boxer can KO your average joes with one punch as well. So Batman KO'ing many thugs in a few seconds may be a good skill feat but it's not really proof that he has superhuman strength. Cracking concrete on the other hand is a whole nother strength level.
I'm saying that if Bane NO SELLS haymakers (stronger than any punch Batman has thrown) then that's proof to his incredible durability.
No selling something PROVES that it takes more than 3 times the force to just significantly affect them.
Originally posted by h1a8
I never claim Batman had superhuman strength because he can KO a human in one blow.I'm saying that if Bane NO SELLS haymakers (stronger than any punch Batman has thrown) then that's proof to his incredible durability.
Except that Bane isn't fighting Batman, he's fighting WS. And Bane has never "no sold" haymakers as strong as WS's punches. So there's something faulty in your logic.
Originally posted by h1a8
lol I never claim Bane can no sell WS punches.
So what was the point?? Robtard pointed out that WS can crack concrete and would one-shot Bane's mask. You claimed that Bane can no sell Batman's punches. Why then bother saying that when you don't think he can no sell WS's punch?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So what was the point?? Robtard pointed out that WS can crack concrete and would one-shot Bane's mask. You claimed that Bane can no sell Batman's punches. Why then bother saying that when you don't think he can no sell WS's punch?
Well that's why I gave a 2 part argument.
The first part implied that WS will not hit Bane with the same force he did to the concrete. There are several reasons for this.
The second part was proving the durability of the mask and Bane's face.
I do believe that WS can right cross with 2-4 times more force than Batman's hay-makers. It would take about 3 times the force of Batman's haymakers just to significantly affect Bane.
Originally posted by h1a8
Well that's why I gave a 2 part argument.
The first part implied that WS will not hit Bane with the same force he did to the concrete. There are several reasons for this.The second part was proving the durability of the mask and Bane's face.
I do believe that WS can right cross with 2-4 times more force than Batman's hay-makers. It would take about 3 times the force of Batman's haymakers just to significantly affect Bane.
And where exactly are you pulling these numbers from?
Originally posted by FrothByte
And where exactly are you pulling these numbers from?
From scientific intuition.
Batman with 2-4 times more force can crack concrete provided his fists were harder than concrete.
No selling something implies that it would take at least several times more force just to be significantly affected.
How many times harder do you think WS can punch over Batman? You can give a range.
Originally posted by h1a8
From scientific intuition.
Batman with 2-4 times more force can crack concrete provided his fists were harder than concrete.No selling something implies that it would take at least several times more force just to be significantly affected.
How many times harder do you think WS can punch over Batman? You can give a range.
Scientific intuition? In other words, you're guessing. In any case, whatever numbers you pull out shouldn't change the fact that WS can smash Bane's mask with one hit, unless you'd like to postulate that his mask is harder than concrete.