Oh Conservatives...

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
more empty posturing and no quotes to prove your brilliant ruse wasn't actually an inadvertent confession of fraud.
such shock. much surprise. wow!

But the quote clearly shows me also saying it was bullshit lol. Are you brain dead? Did you just read the first sentence and then stop?

Explain how your brain missed that part. I mean you took a screenshot of it, surely you read the entire thing.

Please come back and act like you didn't and then lecture others about digging holes deeper.

Originally posted by Surtur
But the quote clearly shows me also saying it was bullshit lol. Are you brain dead? Did you just read the first sentence and then stop?

Explain how your brain missed that part. I mean you took a screenshot of it, surely you read the entire thing.

more deflection. you claimed that you nonchalantly jested about committing welfare fraud, to kick off your expert ruse which 'fooled' us all.
i even highlighted it so that you wouldn't need to strain your simple brain looking for it. so i guess you were lying? again? *shocked*

where's that quote, coward?

Lol, I told you I wasn't going to hunting down for quotes, but it is hilarious that...in the quote that doesn't need to be hunted down, that is right there, you ignore certain parts of it because they do not fit your shitty agenda.

You're the biggest coward here, too afraid to even admit what is right before your eyes, all the while demanding someone else go hunt down evidence because you said so? I let you in on the truth of the situation, it's irrelevant if you choose to believe it or not.

So you can think what you want on that, but the very post you are saying shows guilt also shows me saying it's bullshit. It's time to stop being willfully ignorant.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, I told you I wasn't going to hunting down for quotes, but it is hilarious that...in the quote that doesn't need to be hunted down, that is right there, you ignore certain parts of it because they do not fit your shitty agenda.

You're the biggest coward here, too afraid to even admit what is right before your eyes, all the while demanding someone else go hunt down evidence because you said so? I let you in on the truth of the situation, it's irrelevant if you choose to believe it or not.

So you can think what you want on that, but the very post you are saying shows guilt also shows me saying it's bullshit. It's time to stop being willfully ignorant.

I can't speak for Rob or Bash here Surt, but wilfully admitting to defrauding your own government out of money intended to help those who can't help themselves, even if it is to prove a point, does not make you right in any sense. And people are allowed to be legitimately pissed off at a con and the person who perpetrated that con. The reason for the con becomes irrelevant when stacked with the faulty reasoning of "I did it because I could".

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I can't speak for Rob or Bash here Surt, but wilfully admitting to defrauding your own government out of money intended to help those who can't help themselves, even if it is to prove a point, does not make you right in any sense. And people are allowed to be legitimately pissed off at a con and the person who perpetrated that con. The reason for the con becomes irrelevant when stacked with the faulty reasoning of "I did it because I could".

Okay none of what you just said changes the fact that in the quote he is saying is an "admission of fraud" shows me saying that was bullshit from the beginning.

Also no, people who have trolled this board before aren't really allowed to be pissed over others trolling lol.

I'm just saying you seem confused, who said it was to prove a point? I said it because I knew they'd flip if they thought I was getting free money from the government.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, I told you I wasn't going to hunting down for quotes, but it is hilarious that...in the quote that doesn't need to be hunted down, that is right there, you ignore certain parts of it because they do not fit your shitty agenda.

You're the biggest coward here, too afraid to even admit what is right before your eyes, all the while demanding someone else go hunt down evidence because you said so? I let you in on the truth of the situation, it's irrelevant if you choose to believe it or not.

So you can think what you want on that, but the very post you are saying shows guilt also shows me saying it's bullshit. It's time to stop being willfully ignorant.

#SurtSaysTheDarndestThings

i have to hunt for evidence to prove your case that you're not a fraud? you made the claim, simple guy.
until you can prove otherwise, it's reasonable to assume (by your own words) that you are a fraud and a criminal;
and it's just that you are at least ridiculed and mocked for it. 👆

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
#SurtSaysTheDarndestThings

i have to hunt for evidence to prove your case that you're not a fraud? you made the claim, simple guy. until you can prove otherwise, it's reasonable to assume that you are a fraud and a criminal, and just that you are ridiculed and mocked for it. 👆

I swear this is getting sad lol. If I was a fraud, why would any quote I have said actually show this wasn't the case? You could just say I'm trying to deflect from my "fraud".

The lengths you will go to in order to show you did not get trolled are quite high I see.

Originally posted by Surtur
I swear this is getting sad lol. If I was a fraud, why would any quote I have said actually show this wasn't the case? You could just say I'm trying to deflect from my "fraud".

The lengths you will go to in order to show you did not get trolled are quite high I see.

the only idiotic thing i've done here is expect an honest answer from a fraud and criminal. silly of me, in hindsight.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay none of what you just said changes the fact that in the quote he is saying is an "admission of fraud" shows me saying that was bullshit from the beginning.

Also no, people who have trolled this board before aren't really allowed to be pissed over others trolling lol.

I'm just saying you seem confused, who said it was to prove a point? I said it because I knew they'd flip if they thought I was getting free money from the government.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
#SurtSaysTheDarndestThings

i have to hunt for evidence to prove your case that you're not a fraud? you made the claim, simple guy. until you can prove otherwise, it's reasonable to assume that you are a fraud and a criminal, and just that you are at least ridiculed and mocked for it. 👆

Ok, you two are now just handballing the burden of proof backwards and forwards. First off, don't ask someone to prove a negative, second of all whomever made the original claim holds the burden of proof.

Surt? You saying it was a deliberate troll or joke or sarcasm, unless it's obvious, will not stop your opponent from taking it as literal. Now, I will say that I didn't find it in sarcasm, and if it was, it was in really poor taste and served no purpose but to antagonize.

Bash? Don't ask your opponents to prove a negative. You know better than most that this is not possible.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Bash? Don't ask your opponents to prove a negative. You know better than most that this is not possible.

To be fair, that is how Surtur sees the burden of proof. Anything asserted as true is true until proven otherwise. It has become a running theme on the board.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, you two are now just handballing the burden of proof backwards and forwards. First off, don't ask someone to prove a negative, second of all whomever made the original claim holds the burden of proof.

Surt? You saying it was a deliberate troll or joke or sarcasm, unless it's obvious, will not stop your opponent from taking it as literal. Now, I will say that I didn't find it in sarcasm, and if it was, it was in really poor taste and served no purpose but to antagonize.

Bash? Don't ask your opponents to prove a negative. You know better than most that this is not possible.

Lol okay you know what, I guess I will just have to nip this in the butt. This was trolling. You can say it was in poor taste, but this was back in like February. You call it a con, as if I was meticulously planning some scheme. I just said it because I knew they'd freak. But here, since people were begging, okay, I had mentioned earlier how on the day I first did it I already said it was false on another part of the forum. Found it:

Originally posted by walshy
can we talk about your welfare fraud

Originally posted by Surtur
Lmao, I don't actually commit fraud or get welfare or even get disability. I wish I got disability, but I don't. These people are just easy to troll.

I will have to legit get on disability eventually though. Maybe in 10 or 15 years, but I'm only 30.

In reality, the worst laws I have broken are: smoking weed, and running a red light. That is it.

Okay so you can check the dates. This is not something I just decided was a joke randomly in the past two days. Now I have given proof, we will see what they do.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Bash? Don't ask your opponents to prove a negative. You know better than most that this is not possible.

pretty sure you're not up to speed on this dsz. allow me to illuminate you:

-for months surt divulged that he is collecting disability for a bad back.

-surt then claimed that he was making money on the side with odd jobs, as undeclared/untaxed income. (illegal)

-it was pointed out that he was defrauding the state, which is accurate when one collects assistance while earning untaxed and undeclared cash (while reporting monthly to uncle sam that he's too impaired to work, btw)

-yesterday surt claimed that he made the whole thing up just to 'fool' us into believing he was a fraud, and that he had stated this openly in the past. (a lie)

so that's the quote i'm asking for. the quote that he claimed existed. the quote that would prove that he was just trolling all along. we good now?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
-it was pointed out that he was defrauding the state, which is accurate when one collects assistance while earning untaxed and undeclared cash (while reporting monthly to uncle sam that he's too impaired to work, btw)

Pro Tip: I was the one who first pointed it out, and I post much less frequently than Sutur, so if one is having trouble finding the original conversation, he could find it much more easily by viewing my post history.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
To be fair, that is how Surtur sees the burden of proof. Anything asserted as true is true until proven otherwise. It has become a running theme on the board.

Ok, well thats not correct. Claims have to be proven, not disproven. Otherwise global society is more akin to "It is, therefore it is" rather than the more accurate "It is? Why?"

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol okay you know what, I guess I will just have to nip this in the butt. This was trolling. You can say it was in poor taste, but this was back in like February. You call it a con, as if I was meticulously planning some scheme. I just said it because I knew they'd freak. But here, since people were begging, okay, I had mentioned earlier how on the day I first did it I already said it was false on another part of the forum. Found it:

Okay so you can check the dates. This is not something I just decided was a joke randomly in the past two days. Now I have given proof, we will see what they do.

So you did it to deliberately antagonize? Man, thats not cool... but yes, this should clear you of the actual con, if not your desire to get cheap heat from political opponents 🙄

Lmao, for months I did not divulge that. I just showed you a post of me from months ago saying it was bullshit.

You are acting like every other week I kept going "hey just to confirm, still defrauding the government". No, what would happen is I'd just mostly laugh whenever you'd bring it up.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, well thats not correct. Claims have to be proven, not disproven. Otherwise global society is more akin to "It is, therefore it is" rather than the more accurate "It is? Why?"

Yeah, everyone else already understands that. Hence, why people construct untenable scenarios to illustrate the flaw in his thinking. See: Surtur sucks donkey dicks.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, well thats not correct. Claims have to be proven, not disproven. Otherwise global society is more akin to "It is, therefore it is" rather than the more accurate "It is? Why?"

So you did it to deliberately antagonize? Man, thats not cool... but yes, this should clear you of the actual con, if not your desire to get cheap heat from political opponents 🙄

You have to know the history of this part of the board lol. For instance, after I did this, on pretty much the same day people were creating topics where they were writing haiku's about me lol. That is just one example, I wasn't offended(the threads were deleted though). My point is, both sides troll here. They act like this is some clever scheme that I took every opportunity to endorse.

Also let me give you some history on where their claims about me and burden of proof, it is wikileaks. The DNC was hacked, and they were saying "how do we know the stuff shown was legit" and my argument was nobody had ever come out and really shown any proof. IMO there has been ample time, the DNC has not done this. People were fired over some of those emails, keep in mind. Now if wikileaks had claimed to have incriminating emails and not shown them...yeah, I'd be demanding proof.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also let me give you some history on where their claims about me and burden of proof, it is wikileaks. The DNC was hacked, and they were saying "how do we know the stuff shown was legit" and my argument was nobody had ever come out and really shown any proof. IMO there has been ample time, the DNC has not done this. People were fired over some of those emails, keep in mind.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lmao, for months I did not divulge that. I just showed you a post of me from months ago saying it was bullshit.

that was a quote of you denying that you committed fraud. i can find dozens more of those, but that's not where you cocked up your story.

in the screencap i posted several times, you claimed (and deleted, lol) that you deliberately planted the idea of your fraud in another thread, in order to fool people into believing you had done it. to what ends? who knows. but you made the claim. where's that proof?

"trick"
"i dropped hints. even on the first day"
"i fooled imbeciles"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that was a quote of you denying that you committed fraud. i can find dozens more of those, but that's not where you cocked up your story.

in the screencap i posted several times (scroll up), you claimed (and deleted, lol) that you planted the idea of your fraud in another thread, in order to fool people into believing you had done it. to what ends? who knows. but you made the claim. where's that proof?

The problem here is that after that I corrected myself on the chain of events, as I didn't remember everything and this happened months ago lol.

The trolling originally began as merely just being on disability. But I just showed you proof that from day 1 I was admitting it was a joke.

So the worst you have caught me in is not remembering all the exact details. But I have shown you proof that a LONG time ago I said it was a joke lol.