Anakin Jedi Temple feat (minor)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ6Ta-Ovx4c&t=8m48s

Killing two Jedi in one swing. Pretty solid, tbh. Goes in line with the following:

"The clone troopers are methodical, but Skywalker is merciless. He wields his lightsaber like a scythe, cutting down anyone foolish enough to get in his way. Even experienced Jedi Masters fall, for their expertise in the Force is nothing before the raw power Anakin can unleash."

Damn, I miss batlefront 2

This isn't surprising.

1. Anakin was a practitioner of both variants of Form V; the Shien and Djem So variants. Masters of Djem So were theoretically able to contend with masters of all 7 forms due to how well rounded the form was in both offense and defense, thence allowing him to take on Cin Drallig quite easily. Granted, Drallig was more an instructor than proficient duelist in my opinion.

2. Imagine Grandmaster Luke at his most powerful, double that force potential and that's Anakin's force potential.

Anakin's potential was stated to be double of Palpatine's, not Luke's.

Also, no, Drallig is described as having nearly unparalleled skills with a blade and was mentioned alongside the best by Dooku in LoE as someone that Grievous couldn't use power blows against. He's not only a master duelist but one of the very best; it's just that Anakin at this point is Palpatine-tier and can mow through master swordsmen like fodder.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Anakin's potential was stated to be double of Palpatine's, not Luke's.

My bad, that's what I meant.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Also, no, Drallig is described as having nearly unparalleled skills with a blade and was mentioned alongside the best by Dooku in LoE as someone that Grievous couldn't use power blows against. He's not only a master duelist but one of the very best; it's just that Anakin at this point is Palpatine-tier and can mow through master swordsmen like fodder.

Fair enough, haven't read LoE. Wasn't aware that he was considered unparalleled, though this is obviously an exaggeration. He might be close to Dooku, Mace and Yoda, but not on that level. Slightly below probably.

What does Palpatine-tier mean?

I said the quote claimed that he was "nearly unparalleled", not unparalleled, which is not an exaggeration. In either case, it's clear that he's a master duelist.

No, he's no on Yoda or Mace's level, but the point is that he's incredibly skilled. And indeed, any practitioner of Juyo is automatically one of the most skilled of Force wielders (Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords) and a high-level master of at least two other forms (Insider #62: Fightsaber).

And Anakin's a level 9 per Nick Gillard, which puts him on the same level as Yoda and Sidious as swordsmen. Maul, Dooku, Obi-Wan and even Mace Windu are all 8's (Mace borders on 9, possibly Dooku also), and there's supposed to be a huge disparity between each level.

"When I started, I figured that a youngling is a level one. And somebody like Kit Fisto - seven. I did take it to eight and nine, but not many people know that. Eight and nine is cheat. So Obi-Wan is eight. Yoda is nine. Mace is eight, bordering on nine. Anakin is nine."

-- https://youtu.be/Z2-iZNQrFBA?t=908

"Yes, but it's like a Richter scale - an earthquake - and so the difference between seven and eight and eight and nine is enormous."

-- https://youtu.be/Z2-iZNQrFBA?t=946

"The level is not necessarily an indication of the performer's talent, but it takes a truly gifted and physically skilled actor to play a powerful Jedi combatant. 'Hayden Christensen is one of the best there is,' says Gillard. 'I've seen hundreds of sword fighters, people who do it for a living, and he leaves them all in his wake. His style has changed a bit since Episode II, when he was only a level seven. On this he's a level nine.' For the curious, Gillard does not reveal any Jedi who has achieved level ten. The highest is nine, occupied by a small number of capable sword masters, including Yoda and Darth Sidious. At so high a ranking, it comes down to individual fighting styles as well as the circumstances of the surroundings that make a difference."

-- http://web.archive.org/web/20051202222123/http://starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/beacon126.html

In the Jedi levels of lightsaber fighting, Obi-Wan is an eight, while Anakin, Yoda and Darth Sidious are nines.

-- http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/palpatine.asp

Originally posted by SunRazer
I said the quote claimed that he was "nearly unparalleled", not unparalleled, which is not an exaggeration. In either case, it's clear that he's a master duelist.

Sorry, misread. He is a master duelist, and my statement that a master of Form V can contend with masters of all seven forms due to its versatility still holds. I can't remember the source though.

Originally posted by SunRazer No, he's no on Yoda or Mace's level, but the point is that he's incredibly skilled. And indeed, any practitioner of Juyo is automatically one of the most skilled of Force wielders (Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords) and a high-level master of at least two other forms (Insider #62: Fightsaber).[/B]

I'll agree to that.

Originally posted by SunRazer And Anakin's a level 9 per Nick Gillard, which puts him on the same level as Yoda and Sidious as swordsmen. Maul, Dooku, Obi-Wan and even Mace Windu are all 8's (Mace borders on 9, possibly Dooku also), and there's supposed to be a huge disparity between each level. [/B]

So I keep hearing about Gillard's ratings, what are they, do they pertain to lightsaber skills only? Is there a list of all of his ratings?

Also I'm assuming Grandmaster Luke is the only 10?

There's no official ranking for Luke, but I'd put him at 9 too.

10 means perfection, in which Luke isn't.

Yeah, Luke is a 9. The best of them all, but still "only" a nine.

Is there a list somewhere compiling all of the characters he has mentioned in regards to their power levels?

And is the rating exclusive to lightsaber combat?

I don't think there's a thread with the list, but I can type them for you:

TIER NINE:
- Anakin Skywalker (DS ROTS)
- Darth Sidious (ROTS)
- Yoda (ROTS)
- Mace Windu (ROTS)

TIER EIGHT:
- Mace Windu (ROTS)
- Anakin Skywalker (LS ROTS)
- Dooku (ROTS)
- Obi-Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
- Darth Maul (TPM)

TIER SEVEN:
- Kit Fisto (ROTS)
- Obi-Wan Kenobi (DS TPM)

TIER SIX:
- Obi-Wan Kenobi (LS TPM)

...

TIER ONE:
- Jedi Youngling

These are the only ones we know for sure. The rest are up for debate.

Thank you mate.

Quick question though, Mace is both in Tiers 8 and 9, I'm assuming that he's bordering in between?

Also, is this force powers and lightsaber skills, or one or the other?

And I wish he mentioned Qui Gon's tier.

something that should be pointed out, there is a massive difference within the tiers, with higher tiers, being larger than smaller ones

Qui-Gon would definitely be a 7 or an 8. It's never clarified whether these ratings are sabers-only or all-out. And yes, the gap between 8 and 9 is much larger than the gap between 7 and 8, which is much larger than the 6/7 gap, so on so forth.

Thanks for the info.

Personally I'd put Jinn as low 8, slightly below Maul. The novelisation of TPM clearly shows that Jinn was a match for Maul. In fact the Sith barely escaped being cut down by Jinn's onslaught at one point near the end of the duel of fates.

Originally posted by samappo
Thanks for the info.

Personally I'd put Jinn as low 8, slightly below Maul. The novelisation of TPM clearly shows that Jinn was a match for Maul. In fact the Sith barely escaped being cut down by Jinn's onslaught at one point near the end of the duel of fates.

I mean how subjective could it be. Maul jumped in the last millisecond while cornered by Jinn. Anyway, after that happened, Jinn had pretty much used everything.

Imo a Jinn 5-10 years younger fighting Maul on neutral ground would win.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Qui-Gon would definitely be a 7 or an 8.

I'd say so too, but sometimes (especially in canon) he seems much more important/relevant than he does at other times, so I leave it open tbh.

If he's a 7, he's the highest 7 on the list. He could match TPM Windu as a swordsman according to the novelisation. Granted, there is a major gap between TPM and Windu's height in RoTS as Tier 8/9.

I'd say that during TPM Mace and Jinn were either both high 7's or low 8's. And Mace in RoTS became a high 8/low 9.

Thoughts?