Originally posted by TheMuser
When this rating system is brought up, it is always described as Gillard's system. Not Lucas's. Why do we pay attention to a system not created by Lucas?
Probably because Lucas has to green-light everything in the films and because he himself appears to support a number of Gillard's rankings (Anakin and Sidious, especially).
Originally posted by SunRazer
Probably because Lucas has to green-light everything in the films and because he himself appears to support a number of Gillard's rankings (Anakin and Sidious, especially).
Unless you can prove Lucas knew about this rating system before Gillard brought it up, I don't think you can use this as evidence, also how does Lucas seem to support the system?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Gillard invented the rating system, but obviously he didn't make it up personally.Gillard worked directly with Lucas during all of this. Gillard doesn't have the power to just decide which characters are better than others. All of this came from Lucas, obviously.
On what basis did Gillard not have the power to say who>who? wasn't this all in a random behind the scenes thing that was just talking about stuff? would he have had time to prepare? how do we know he isn't just talking crap?
What's with the retarded questions? The tier system was flaunted on official Star Wars websites and whatnot. It was Gillard's main thing, not some sidenote. You don't think he consulted with Lucas when he was making the lists while they were standing and talking to each other about how to work on the fights for months on end? Do you think Gillard went in his closet one day, wrote a list that Lucas didn't approve of despite consulting with Lucas constantly, and then somehow leaked it out to the official Star Wars website and documentaries hoping no one would notice? I also doubt it's a coincidence that Lucas established tiers for the Original Trilogy, and then tiers for the Prequel Trilogy popped up as well. Like, god damn. What's your issue with it anyway? Everything established in it is pretty damn obvious.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What's with the retarded questions? The tier system was flaunted on official Star Wars websites and whatnot. It was Gillard's main thing, not some sidenote. You don't think he consulted with Lucas when he was making the lists while they were standing and talking to each other about how to work on the fights for months on end? Do you think Gillard went in his closet one day, wrote a list that Lucas didn't approve of despite consulting with Lucas constantly, and then somehow leaked it out to the official Star Wars website and documentaries hoping no one would notice? I also doubt it's a coincidence that Lucas established tiers for the Original Trilogy, and then tiers for the Prequel Trilogy popped up as well. Like, god damn. What's your issue with it anyway? Everything established in it is pretty damn obvious.
👆 Excellent, finally what I was asking for.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Your shit arbitrary canon policy doesn't warrant a better reply. You have no basis to dismiss Gillard's ranking so that's that.
I dismissed nothing. I asked for why this is such a accepted notion. You gave no details whatsoever and I am not going to accept something like this without cause.
Gillard wrote the fights, so treating his system as baseless would mean dismissing all of the fights in the Prequel Trilogy. And there's some quotes floating around about Lucas not allowing anything in the films unless he personally accepted them, which I or someone else will try to find later.
And Lucas claims that Anakin's on Sidious' level and personally edited the RotS novel line-for-line, which has Anakin being the fastest and strongest Jedi even before his descent into the dark side. He also mentions in an interview that you can never get the better of Sidious in lightsaber combat. So there's definite support for Gillard's system there.