Anakin Jedi Temple feat (minor)

Originally posted by samappo
He could match TPM Windu as a swordsman according to the novelisation.

"During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu."

The quote doesn't establish any connection between Jinn and Mace besides that they're superior to Bondara.

Someone on Wookieepedia likely misinterpreted incorrectly, wrote it in the article, and it spread ever since.

TPM Windu, by the way, is stated to be, alongside Yoda and TPM Dooku, more skilled with a blade than any Jedi before them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Another YouTube lie. No where is this stated (trust me, we looked). The myth likely was derived from:

"During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu."

The quote doesn't establish any connection between Jinn and Mace besides that they're superior to Bondara.

Someone on Wookieepedia likely misinterpreted incorrectly, wrote it in the article, and it spread ever since.

Ah, my bad.

Still, there's his fight with Maul to examine. Maul is an 8. Jinn matched him blow to blow. It's heavily implied, at least from what I can remember when I read the novel, that Jinn's main disadvantage during that fight was his fatigue and age. He was around 60 I think.

If he was younger I think he could have taken TPM Maul. Maybe 5-10 years younger? I guess this places Jinn around a high 7 at least, or a low 8, since he could duel Darth Maul who was a definitive 8 for 15-20 minutes before being cornered into an area that proved to be the main weakness of his style. Even then Jinn's performance was impressive, since even though he was restricted in the generator room, he almost killed Maul, according to Kenobi anyway.

Thoughts?

Lolno.

Force-users get stronger with age.

He even had time to use Serenity.

I find the Jinn vs Maul depictions varying. I don't recall which specifically says which, but I do know several sources (since there is a comic, a novel, a junior novel, numerous from Maul's perspective, etc.) depicting Maul as dominating Jinn, whereas others suggest, like you're saying here, that it was relatively close. The Essential Guide to Characters further supporters your case, anyhow, by specifically emphasizing that it was Jinn's age, not his skill, that led to his defeat versus Maul. However, his performances versus Xantos never impressed me much, which is all I have to gauge Jinn off otherwise, so I'd still favor Maul even in Jinn's prime. Maul's skills have been deemed perfect by Palpatine, has seemingly more raw power than Mother Talzin, was trained in the most brutal and extreme martial arts and lightsaber styles, etc. It's hard to get someone better than that.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Lolno.

Force-users get stronger with age.

He even had time to use Serenity.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Jinn's connection to the Force might have increased, but that doesn't mean his combat skills did as well.

^

As Jinn got older, I'd say the last 5-10 years, he had to change how he used Ataru to compensate his age, phasing out acrobatics and relying more on power blows etc.

Originally posted by samappo

Quick question though, Mace is both in Tiers 8 and 9, I'm assuming that he's bordering in between?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Darkside! [so, Windu against Sidious] Mace is a 9, Lightside! Mace a 8 bordering on 9.

Thanks for the clarification.

Originally posted by samappo
Also, is this force powers and lightsaber skills, or one or the other?

It refers to lightsaber combat, but with augmentation.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I find the Jinn vs Maul depictions varying. I don't recall which specifically says which, but I do know several sources (since there is a comic, a novel, a junior novel, numerous from Maul's perspective, etc.) depicting Maul as dominating Jinn, whereas others suggest, like you're saying here, that it was relatively close. The Essential Guide to Characters further supporters your case, anyhow, by specifically emphasizing that it was Jinn's age, not his skill, that led to his defeat versus Maul. However, his performances versus Xantos never impressed me much, which is all I have to gauge Jinn off otherwise, so I'd still favor Maul even in Jinn's prime. Maul's skills have been deemed perfect by Palpatine, has seemingly more raw power than Mother Talzin, was trained in the most brutal and extreme martial arts and lightsaber styles, etc. It's hard to get someone better than that.

Earlier depictions had Maul dominating, but the most recent one in End Game by James Luceno had them as equals until Qui-Gon tired (on Tatooine, anyway).

TCSWE also claims that Qui-Gon couldn't "physically compete", which suggests that his skill is up there with Maul's.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It refers to lightsaber combat, but with augmentation.

Cool thanks 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
Earlier depictions had Maul dominating, but the most recent one in End Game by James Luceno had them as equals until Qui-Gon tired (on Tatooine, anyway).

TCSWE also claims that Qui-Gon couldn't "physically compete", which suggests that his skill is up there with Maul's.

What makes it even more impressive is that Jinn didn't really go beyond Form IV, whereas Maul was a confirmed specialist in Juyo, Niman and at least one other form.

Is it possible to prove the ratings were approved of by lucas? If not, can they be ignored?

What do you mean, "approved"? Lucas is the one who made them up.

I find that unlikely. mmm

Originally posted by NewGuy01
What do you mean, "approved"? Lucas is the one who made them up.

When this rating system is brought up, it is always described as Gillard's system. Not Lucas's. Why do we pay attention to a system not created by Lucas?

Why do we pay attention to anything not made by Lucas then?

Gillard came up with them after extensive talks with Lucas.

Besides a detailed ranking of Saber fighting skills given to us in "The Making of ROTS" is probably pretty useful when discussing... you know... Star Wars saber fights.

The writer of a novel or someone who worked on the movie=/=as Lucas when making comments on their works (Considering Lucas made the universe to begin with). should we take statements about IIRC and GI being Ventress level seriously?

What is actually stated in a source book/Novel is in writing and official to the universe. If a writer came out tomorrow and said Shaak>Sidious. Would you take that seriously?

My point is this, if you are merely making off the cuff comments and you are not lucas, I don't care. If you put that into a official source its different, but until then, forget it.

Well, you know, that's just your opinion man.