Sam Harris Slaughters Christianity

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I mean, he didn't created us, but that's another topic.

But let me give you an example:
My parents created me. I owe them my life. Would it be okay if they'd tortured, raped and killed me? Hell no. Based on your logic though, I'd had no right to question their authority.

Except your parents didn't create you. Your parent gave you birth.

You were created by God. God created your parents along with every human and living thing and non living thing.

In that aspect, he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

I'll give you an example.

You are the creator of Mario. What right does Mario have to complain for having to fight monsters?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except your parents didn't create you. Your parent gave you birth.

You were created by God. God created your parents along with every human and living thing and non living thing.

In that aspect, he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

I'll give you an example.

You are the creator of Mario. What right does Mario have to complain for having to fight monsters?

That's a terrible comparison considering Mario doesn't have free will does he? Also, it's a video game. If it was a fully formed AI that had rational thought, than it would most certainly have the right to question what we were making it do or doing to it.

The God created everything argument is weak imo. It's clear that we don't think he did so that line of reasoning is just a catch all for you. It's so lazy.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except your parents didn't create you. Your parent gave you birth.

You were created by God. God created your parents along with every human and living thing and non living thing.

In that aspect, he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

I'll give you an example.

You are the creator of Mario. What right does Mario have to complain for having to fight monsters?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Except your parents didn't create you. Your parent gave you birth.

You were created by God. God created your parents along with every human and living thing and non living thing.

In that aspect, he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants.

I'll give you an example.

You are the creator of Mario. What right does Mario have to complain for having to fight monsters?

Which isn't a reason why it's morally sound that God can just slaughter us.

Mario is a fictional being without a free will 😬
Edit: AG and socool said it better.

Originally posted by socool8520
That's a terrible comparison considering Mario doesn't have free will does he? Also, it's a video game. If it was a fully formed AI that had rational thought, than it would most certainly have the right to question what we were making it do or doing to it.

The God created everything argument is weak imo. It's clear that we don't think he did so that line of reasoning is just a catch all for you. It's so lazy.

And who said God isn't playing us. Is free will actually free? Are we really the ones in control?

Assuming we are. What difference is there. Give Mario free will and he still has no right to question it's creator.

Weak? How is it weak. Share to me your doubts.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Mario is not a sentient, sapient being. He won’t and can’t complain, nor can he suffer. But at least your view on the Abrahamic God is honest enough to recognize that he’s not a benevolent deity, but a tyrannical one who slays his own children.

Read above comment.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
The sperm of my dad and the ovum of my mum created me, basically.

Which isn't a reason why it's morally sound that God can just slaughter us.

Mario is a fictional being without a free will 😬
Edit: AG and socool said it better.

And who created the atoms in your body? Who created the air your breathe and the water you drink?

So, Josh, are you basically saying that God is a violent, sadistic monster?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Mario is not a sentient, sapient being. He won’t and can’t complain, nor can he suffer. But at least your view on the Abrahamic God is honest enough to recognize that he’s not a benevolent deity, but a tyrannical one who slays his own children.

Well, what is benevolence and what is tyranny? Does God even follow such a rulings? Who is above God to rule him?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So, Josh, are you basically saying that God is a violent, sadistic monster?

No. He is a benevolent God. An all loving God whose patience is WAY TOO GOOD.

You know guys, i really like this forum. I entered it until today and am already liking it a LOTTT!

I was once just like you. Questioning things, until someone answered them to me. Now i have the opportunity to share them.

So bring me your questions.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And who said God isn't playing us. Is free will actually free? Are we really the ones in control?

Assuming we are. What difference is there. Give Mario free will and he still has no right to question it's creator.

Weak? How is it weak. Share to me your doubts.

If this is true then we are not responsible for anything we do ever. Which means we all go to heaven. You can believe that if you want but it's pretty ridiculous imo. It also shits on many points the Bible brings up so I'm not even sure what your beliefs are to be honest.

So you're a sociopath or are cool with following one? Good to know.

If you can't see how you shouldn't murder and cause suffering to the things you have created, or at least criticize it, then your argument is weak.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So, Josh, are you basically saying that God is a violent, sadistic monster?

It's all a matter of perception.

What is violent to you? What has God done that should be considered violence?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It's all a matter of perception.

What is violent to you? What has God done that should be considered violence?

You don't consider murder violence? You're trolling. You have to be.

Originally posted by socool8520
If this is true then we are not responsible for anything we do ever. Which means we all go to heaven. You can believe that if you want but it's pretty ridiculous imo. It also shits on many points the Bible brings up so I'm not even sure what your beliefs are to be honest.

So you're a sociopath or are cool with following one? Good to know.

If you can't see how you shouldn't murder and cause suffering to the things you have created, or at least criticize it, then your argument is weak.

Okay i was just giving perceptions. Lets get into the real thing then.

I believe in Free Will. I do. I believe am the one in control and so are you.

In that aspect why is God guilty of our actions?

Originally posted by socool8520
You don't consider murder violence? You're trolling. You have to be.

I will use my perception now. I was using several perceptions. Now read what i quote you above.

Free Will:

Many blame God for the evil in the world. Why is God evil for what we cause?

If i kill any of you, is God responsible?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Read above comment.

God doesn’t have to have anyone to answer to or have anyone rule him for his actions to be evil or immoral. It’s the cop-out of every tyrant: “I am the law, I decide what is right and wrong!” Honestly, your idea of what is like reminds me of t he Party from 1984.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[What is violent to you? What has God done that should be considered violence?

Who is above God to rule him?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay i was just giving perceptions. Lets get into the real thing then.

I believe in Free Will. I do. I believe am the one in control and so are you.

In that aspect why is God guilty of our actions?

He wouldn't be in that respect. However he then wouldn't be Omnipotent either.