Sam Harris Slaughters Christianity

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay as i said, Mario's rhetoric isn't good for this, either way i will answer.

I am God, creator of Mario:

If Mario refused to rescue the Princess will I judge him???? HEELLLLL I WILL!

I made him for the sole purpose of rescuing HER!!! I gave him power mushroom and fire flowers. I have him an amazing mustache!!!

He saw that the princess was in need and he didn't help her!!! Now imagine how would the King (The father of the Princess) feel after knowing that Mario could have saved her, yet he didn't!!?

So see?

God is in a position to judge, for he created us. How will Mario answer to God when being faced with the question of why he didn't help the princess?

How does Mario expect not to be blamed for refusing to aid someone?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The future isn't linear. It isn't written in paper.

God can see the future. But isn't like the future is this line of events.

The are not even considered events, they are possibilities.

God can see ALL THE POSSIBILITES!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

He doesn't knows the future if he doesn't kbows which possibility will happen.

Well God knew Hitler would kill all those people, but he also knew Hitler could have refused to! HAHAHA you see? It isn't that simple.

1) God is not omnipotent
Or
2) God doesn't cares if millions of people get slaughtered.

Your choice.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
So then what would be an appropriate punishment for Mario?

I don't know am not God. 😂

But the World isn't like Mario's world, nor are we Mario who doesn't have free will so let's forget that rhetoric.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
whatwhatwhat

He doesn't knows the future if he doesn't kbows which possibility will happen.

It is that simple, either...

1) God is not omnipotent
Or
2) God doesn't cares if millions of people get slaughtered.

Your choice.

You didn't got me.

Since the future isn't linear. Meaning that it isn't written!! Like we have free will, i could decided whether to type or not.

So God knows the future because he can see all the endless possibilities.

He knew Hitler might have ended up killing many. Yet Hitler had free will and could have decided not to. But since he did, Hitler is most likely waiting to be judged.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You didn't got me.

Since the future isn't linear. Meaning that it isn't written!! Like we have free will, i could decided whether to type or not.

So God knows the future because he can see all the endless possibilities.

He knew Hitler might have ended up killing many. Yet Hitler had free will and could have decided not to. But since he did, Hitler is most likely waiting to be judged.

If God doesn't knows which future will happen, he isn't omnipotent.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You didn't got me.

Since the future isn't linear. Meaning that it isn't written!! Like we have free will, i could decided whether to type or not.

So God knows the future because he can see all the endless possibilities.

He knew Hitler might have ended up killing many. Yet Hitler had free will and could have decided not to. But since he did, Hitler is most likely waiting to be judged.

That's not omnipotence. That's chess. lol

Does this mean Bobby Fisher is God?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, I know what you said. Yoz don't grap my pount though.

If God doesn't knows which future will happen, he isn't omnipotent.

He knows which future will happen cause he already saw it coming.

If someone knows all possibilities that might occur then he knows the future! lol. That's what it means.

So he does know what will happen in the future.

Originally posted by socool8520
That's not omnipotence. That's chess. lol

Does this mean Bobby Fisher is God?

If the Universe and it's galaxies along with everything that happens within it were to be confined in a piece of chess in where assumingly Fisher knows ALL THE POSSIBLE MOVES, then still Fisher isn't omnipotent 😂 Omnipotence isn't limited to reading the future.

Well consider the world like a Chess board but with INFINITE times more possibilities! God knows them all.

So he does know the future.

No. Knowing the future means you know exactly what will happen. Not knowing what can happen. It's chess on a larger scale, but it's still not Omnipotence.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He knows which future will happen cause he already saw it coming.

If someone knows all possibilities that might occur then he knows the future! lol. That's what it means.

So he does know what will happen in the future. .

You say he didn't knew that Hitler would kill all the jews. That means he didn't knew the future. That means he isn't omniscient.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I don't know am not God. 😂

But the World isn't like Mario's world, nor are we Mario who doesn't have free will so let's forget that rhetoric.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by socool8520
No. Knowing the future means you know exactly what will happen. Not knowing what can happen. It's chess on a larger scale, but it's still not Omnipotence.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, he doed not.
He knows the possible futures, but he does not know which one [B]will happen.

You say he didn't knew that Hitler would kill all the jews. That means he didn't knew the future. That means he isn't omniscient. [/B]

Not knowing what will happen means that what happen is something you didn't saw coming.

God sees everything that will come, therefore isn't like he doesn't know.

Not knowing is lack of information of something. God has information of all possible futures so doesn't matter which one occurs, he does know it would occur.

If you know that a pencil might fall, and you knew that pencil might not fall. It doesn't matter which occurs, you knew what would occur.

So he did knew.

And besides, the future doesn't concern God. Whatever occurs, isn't like it's relevant for God to interfere.

As i mentioned before, we all are going to die, so it doesn't matter how it occurs.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not knowing what will happen means that what happen is something you didn't saw coming.

God sees everything that will come, therefore isn't like he doesn't know.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not knowing what will happen means that what happen is something you didn't saw coming.

God sees everything that will come, therefore isn't like he doesn't know.

Not knowing is lack of information of something. God has information of all possible futures so doesn't matter which one occurs, he does know it would occur.

If you know that a pencil might fall, and you knew that pencil might not fall. It doesn't matter which occurs, you knew what would occur.

So he did knew.

And besides, the future doesn't concern God. Whatever occurs, isn't like it's relevant for God to interfere.

As i mentioned before, we all are going to die, so it doesn't matter how it occurs.

If I say pick a number between 1 and 10, you know the possibilities but you don't necessarily know the actual number I'll pick. Do you see the difference between that and actually knowing everything? That's not true Omniscience. That's educated guessing. Anyone can do that. Not Godlike at all

It obviously concerns you if he plans to judge you later. lol Why would he judge you if he doesn't care? Why is he worthy of praise if he doesn't give a shit about you?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, he doesn't. He knows which futures *could* happen, but not which future *will* happen. It's not that hard to understand.

Well if he knows all the lines of possibilities then he knows the future! It's not hard to understand neither.

If he knows all possibilities then there is not a single thing that can happen without him knowing.

He might not know the which one will occur, but that's why he permitted Free Will didn't he? If there was a prescribed future (Like Destiny) then we don't longer have free will, since we are tied to that future.

So God Knows what will happen. Because there isn't a single thing that can occur that he didn't saw coming or that he didn't approved.

So anything that happens God already saw coming.

That's Omnipotence.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

He might not know the which one will occur,

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well if he knows all the lines of possibilities then he knows the future! It's not hard to understand neither.

If he knows all possibilities then there is not a single thing that can happen without him knowing.

He might not know the which one will occur, but that's why he permitted Free Will didn't he? If there was a prescribed future (Like Destiny) then we don't longer have free will, since we are tied to that future.

So God Knows what will happen. Because there isn't a single thing that can occur that he didn't saw coming or that he didn't approved.

So anything that happens God already saw coming.

That's Omnipotence.

Dude, that's not the same thing. Knowing what can happen and what will ABSOLUTELY (absolutely being the key word here) happen are tow different things.

One is an educated guess. Doing it on a grand scale doesn't change that. The other is actual omniscience.

Originally posted by socool8520
If I say pick a number between 1 and 10, you know the possibilities but you don't necessarily know the actual number I'll pick. Do you see the difference between that and actually knowing everything? That's not true Omniscience. That's educated guessing. Anyone can do that. Not Godlike at all

It obviously concerns you if he plans to judge you later. lol Why would he judge you if he doesn't care? Why is he worthy of praise if he doesn't give a shit about you?

Omniscience is knowing everything. So if we limit the Universe to a card with numbers from 1 to 10 and you were to guess which one I'd pick then you'd be Omniscience.

However, that rhetoric isn't good. Because if someone who doesn't know the number range wouldn't be able to know

So we humans are the ones who don't know the range of numbers here.

And still, God can know what you will do regardless of seeing the future. He can still read our minds.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Finally. He doesn't knows what will happen, in other words, he isn't omniscient.

He might still read your mind in the exact moment you do something.

So, still knows the future.

Also remember am not God. I don't know how he works, that's how i picture it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Omniscience is knowing everything. So if we limit the Universe to a card with numbers from 1 to 10 and you were to guess which one I'd pick then you'd be Omniscience.

Guys remember that's how i see it.

I might be wrong.

Let's say he does know the future what is the problem with that?