Sam Harris Slaughters Christianity

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
If Mario was a fully fledged sentient and sapient AI, it would have every right to call us out on us forcing it into an existence of crushing Goomba skulls and ingesting questionable mushrooms. And it would have a point.

God doesn’t have to have anyone to answer to or have anyone rule him for his actions to be evil or immoral. It’s the cop-out of every tyrant: “I am the law, I decide what is right and wrong!” Honestly, your idea of what is like reminds me of t he Party from 1984.

Let's forget about Mario's retoric.

You are Mario now. But you are Sentient. You have free will.

What are you complaining about? What is God doing wrong?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Let's forget about Mario's retoric.

You are Mario now. But you are Sentient. You have free will.

What are you complaining about? What is God doing wrong?

He is forcing you to do something you don't want to do and possibly getting you killed in the process. How is that not wrong?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Let's forget about Mario's retoric.

You are Mario now. But you are Sentient. You have free will.

What are you complaining about? What is God doing wrong?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Let's start with Genocide.

YOG-SOTHOTH

Considereing we have free will, is God responsible for you murdering your ex-wife?

If in case you respond like socool8520. Read what i'll write to him.

Originally posted by socool8520
He wouldn't be in that respect. However he then wouldn't be Omnipotent either.

I wonder the same once too.

God is Omnipotent, but i have Free Will!!!!!

So, in that respect. I was allowed to do WHATEVER I WANT. God gave us free will, he promised he wouldn't interfere in our decisions.

So. In that respect, If i am about to murder you, can God stop me?? HELL YES. But will he? No. Because then he is breaking his promise. He is being a liar.

The moment God steps in to stop me from killing you, then in that moment i don't longer have free will.

So, it's funny. We humans want to be in control yet we want God to help us.

If it were to be opposite. We would argue how God is tyrannical for forcing us to do his will.

So, you see?

Originally posted by socool8520
He is forcing you to do something you don't want to do and possibly getting you killed in the process. How is that not wrong?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Considereing we have free will, is God responsible for you murdering your ex-wife?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, why should I forget about it? If I am Mario, maybe I am sick and tired of saving ungrateful princesses and being forced into a life of violence? Maybe I want out of the madhouse? If my creators deny me that, then they have turned me into a slave for their own amusement.

If you were Mario with free will, you could decide to help the princess or not.

Besides, you were created for the very purpose of rescuing the princess. So that's your purpose. Who are you to question your purpose?

However AS I SAID. MARIO'S rhetoric was a bad one. Cause Mario has no free will, and the Creators of Mario aren't God.

Let's rather focus on God here, and We as Marios.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No,but he is responsible for killing nearly the entire human population.
Heis responsible for ordering the hebrews to slaughter boys, men & women.

Specified when please.

God ordered killings yes. But let me ask you this.

If he creates life, he has no right to take it away?

Cause i don't know if you knew this but, whenever someone dies, it's because God wanted it that way. Even today. Death is God's emissary.

But again, who are you to forbid God from taking what he gave in the first place?

Are you asking to live forever?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If you were Mario with free will, you would could decide to help the princess or not.

Besides, you were created for the very purpose of rescuing the princess. So that's your purpose. Who are you to question your purpose?

However AS I SAID. MARIO'S rhetoric was a bad one. Cause Mario has no free will, and the Creators of Mario aren't God.

Let's rather focus on God here, and We as Marios.

If I was given sentience and free will, then I could obviously question my purpose. In Mario’s case, that would definitely make sense.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

God is Omnipotent, but i have Free Will!!!!!

So, in that respect. I was allowed to do WHATEVER I WANT. God gave us free will, he promised he wouldn't interfere in our decisions.

So. In that respect, If i am about to murder you, can God stop me?? HELL YES. But will he? No. Because then he is breaking his promise. He is being a liar.

The moment God steps in to stop me from killing you, then in that moment i don't longer have free will.

So, it's funny. We humans want to be in control yet we want God to help us.

If it were to be opposite. We would argue how God is tyrannical for forcing us to do his will.

So, you see?

No you just don't believe in God and realize that you are responsible for your own actions. It's that simple.

In your scenario he is a bastard. I created you knowing full well what you were going to do in the future correct? I knew you were going to murder someone, but allowed your creation anyway. That's sadistic. I don't care how you look at it. The only way he is not at fault in this scenario is if he isn't Omnipotent. Then it's on you

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I could, but like I said, what if I wanted out of the madhouse? What if I wanted to no longer be a sentient toy for my creator(s)?

If I was given sentience and free will, then I could obviously question my purpose. In Mario’s case, that would definitely make sense.

Yeah you do!!!

You have the right to do whatever you wish! ANYTHING YOU DESIRE. That's free will.

But doesn't mean you won't be judged by it. You can do anything you want, but everything has it's consequences.

God allowed you to think and do as you wish, but he also told you that when everything is over, he will judge your actions.

Originally posted by socool8520
No you just don't believe in God and realize that you are responsible for your own actions. It's that simple.

In your scenario he is a bastard. I created you knowing full well what you were going to do in the future correct? I knew you were going to murder someone, but allowed your creation anyway. That's sadistic. I don't care how you look at it. The only way he is not at fault in this scenario is if he isn't Omnipotent. Then it's on you

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah you do!!!

You have the right to do whatever you wish! ANYTHING YOU DESIRE. That's free will.

But doesn't mean you won't be judged by it. You can do anything you want, but everything has it's consequences.

God allowed you to think and do as you wish, but he also told you that when everything is over, he will judge your actions.

Actions he created you to do. That's stupid. You can't have omnipotence and free will. It doesn't work.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Specified when please.

God ordered killings yes. But let me ask you this.

If he creates life, he has no right to take it away?

Now therefore kill every boy, 19 and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse with a man. 20 31:18 But all the young women 21 who have not had sexual intercourse with a man 22 will be yours. 23

And no, he hasn't. My parents created my life. They have no right to take it away either.

Cause i don't know if you knew this but, whenever someone dies, it's because God wanted it that way.

But again, who are you to forbid God from taking what he gave in the first place?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah you do!!!

You have the right to do whatever you wish! ANYTHING YOU DESIRE. That's free will.

But doesn't mean you won't be judged by it. You can do anything you want, but everything has it's consequences.

God allowed you to think and do as you wish, but he also told you that when everything is over, he will judge your actions.

Originally posted by socool8520
No you just don't believe in God and realize that you are responsible for your own actions. It's that simple.

In your scenario he is a bastard. I created you knowing full well what you were going to do in the future correct? I knew you were going to murder someone, but allowed your creation anyway. That's sadistic. I don't care how you look at it. The only way he is not at fault in this scenario is if he isn't Omnipotent. Then it's on you

And what are your motives for not believing in God? What makes you think that? There most always be a reason for every actions/thought/decision.

Okay, here is where it gets the most interesting about God:

God knows everything that was, is and will happen. Now, let me ask you this.

You are going to die one way or the other. You could die of a heart attack, of diabetes, of pulmonary cancer, of a fart, of ANYTHING.

Does it really matter the way you die? It doesn't!!! It's selfish. You will die either way, yet we complain about the way we are going to die!!!!? That is being proud.

God doesn't care the way you die. You will die, one way or the next. Now, who said the future is linear? Who said that there is only one road ahead of us?

God knows what will happen in the future but he also knows it might not happen.

I could be about to kill you, but then I remembered I would go to prison for the rest of my life and rather not. Or i could remember my mama told me not to kill, and stop myself.

The future isn't written. We write it along the way. Anything can happen.

And God knows all the posibilites. He can see all the infinite amout of roads that lie ahead. He can see how i will kill you in an alternate future, and how i won't due to a memory i had in another.

God believes you will do the right thing. If you do the wrong thing well it doesn't matter, you are going to die eventually!!! Who are you to decide when to perish?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Okay, here is where it gets the most interesting about God:

God knows everything that was, is and will happen. Now, let me ask you this.

God knows what will happen in the future but he also knows it might not happen.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Now the question is: is the judgment fair? Would it be fair to send Mario to suffer for eternity in Mushroom Kingdom’s equivalent of Hell for refusing to rescue the princess or for merely questioning his creator(s)?

Okay as i said, Mario's rhetoric isn't good for this, either way i will answer.

I am God, creator of Mario:

If Mario refused to rescue the Princess will I judge him???? HEELLLLL I WILL!

I made him for the sole purpose of rescuing HER!!! I gave him power mushroom and fire flowers. I have him an amazing mustache!!!

He saw that the princess was in need and he didn't help her!!! Now imagine how would the King (The father of the Princess) feel after knowing that Mario could have saved her, yet he didn't!!?

So see?

God is in a position to judge, for he created us. How will Mario answer to God when being faced with the question of why he didn't help the princess?

How does Mario expect not to be blamed for refusing to aid someone?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So he knows that Ted Bundy would kill all those girls, and that Hitler would kill all these people, and yet he allowed it?

Wait, what? So he doesn't knows everything?

The future isn't linear. It isn't written in paper.

God can see the future. But isn't like the future is this line of events.

The are not even considered events, they are possibilities.

God can see ALL THE POSSIBILITES!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

Well God knew Hitler would kill all those people, but he also knew Hitler could have refused to! HAHAHA you see? It isn't that simple.

Besides those people would have died in the end either way! If God would have stepped in, he wouldn't have only be breaking Free Will but also preventing the inevitable...Death.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And what are your motives for not believing in God? What makes you think that? There most always be a reason for every actions/thought/decision.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, here is where it gets the most interesting about God:

God knows everything that was, is and will happen. Now, let me ask you this.

You are going to die one way or the other. You could die of a heart attack, of diabetes, of pulmonary cancer, of a fart, of ANYTHING.

Does it really matter the way you die? It doesn't!!! It's selfish. You will die either way, yet we complain about the way we are going to die!!!!? That is being proud.

God doesn't care the way you die. You will die, one way or the next. Now, who said the future is linear? Who said that there is only one road ahead of us?

God knows what will happen in the future but he also knows it might not happen.

I could be about to kill you, but then I remembered I would go to prison for the rest of my life and rather not. Or i could remember my mama told me not to kill, and stop myself.

The future isn't written. We write it along the way. Anything can happen.

And God knows all the posibilites. He can see all the infinite amout of roads that lie ahead. He can see how i will kill you in an alternate future, and how i won't due to a memory i had in another.

So he's not Omnipotent. Anyone can think of all the possibilities. That's not the same thing an omnipotence.

Your other scenario suggests that he is such an egotistical douche bag that he would created alternate timelines just to make himself infallible. Sounds like a swell guy. All he needs to do now is have a low opinion of women and make fun of gays like all the other frat boys. Oh wait.....

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
God believes you will do the right thing. If you do the wrong thing well it doesn't matter, you are going to die eventually!!! Who are you to decide when to perish?

If he believes it, he doesn't know it for sure (AKA not all knowing) . The other point doesn't really matter.