World War Superman

Originally posted by Sin I AM
magic could be his down fall...especially with the way zom was piercing hulk

In short: Superman's strength is not the only thing that seems to be *dynamic*.

Also, for what it's worth: I tend to see these types of stories (eg, WWH, Blood&Thunder Thor) as stories specifically designed to showcase the power of the character. So a WW Supes would be quite a fearsome beast, possibly one of the worst things that could befall the Comicverse.

Originally posted by Mindship
I was thinking about that ... but iirc, extreme versions of Supes often tend to handle magic better than "usual" (again, a WWS sounds like a Supes capable of outlier-type feats, so not so sure magic would be a big problem here; same with red-sun energy, or even kryptonite, though I could see this last one being closest to problematic).

In short: Superman's strength is not the only thing that seems to be *dynamic*.

Also, for what it's worth: I tend to see these types of stories (eg, WWH, Blood&Thunder Thor) as stories specifically designed to showcase the power of the character. So a WW Supes would be quite a fearsome beast, possibly one of the worst things that could befall the Comicverse.

Good post.

The problem I see with character centric arcs that showcase "power" over plot like WWH, B&T Odinson, Owaw, WW3 Bladam etc...is that the title character gets (imo a superficial or "mindset'😉 boost while EVERYONE else performs at either less than optimal power levels or suffer from extreme cis.

Never are their opponents or or normal peers seen as rising to the same level as the protagonist. You may have one or two big bass getting in a few good licks or a peer appearing to rev up accordingly but those instances are temporary and usually used as a measuring stick for how far the main character has eclipsed them once they cut loose a little bit more.

It's be nice to read an arc where EVERYONE is going for broke instead of the main guy whilst every one seemingly holds back. That would make it easier to determine who's really the top dog instead of always guessing.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
The problem I see with character centric arcs that showcase "power" over plot like WWH, B&T Odinson, Owaw, WW3 Bladam etc...is that the title character gets (imo a superficial or "mindset'😉 boost while EVERYONE else performs at either less than optimal power levels or suffer from extreme cis.

It's be nice to read an arc where EVERYONE is going for broke instead of the main guy whilst every one seemingly holds back. That would make it easier to determine who's really the top dog instead of always guessing.

It's called Our Worlds at War.

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's called Our Worlds at War.

Everyone. Hero/villain alike fought to the best of their ability in OWAW? EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER INVOLVED?

i wasn't sure if that was the direction, or if it was more along the lines of the max lord/ww arc. if he just goes crazy angry, like what max did to him, or if he goes all out, like owaw, are 2 very different things. not sure what the intent here is.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Everyone. Hero/villain alike fought to the best of their ability in OWAW? EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER INVOLVED?

What you must understand [it will take some time] is that characters in comics are never written in CBR-style. Writers aren't mathematicians, or spend months of their times arguing the very best use of the characters' abilities. There will always be a 'why didn't they fight EXACTLY the way I wanted to?!!' autistic-screeching from you, but that doesn't change the writers intent - which is that nobody was holding back, but Superman was still by far the most powerful.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Everyone. Hero/villain alike fought to the best of their ability in OWAW? EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER INVOLVED?

In my opinion most did. Kyle containing the power of a big bang. WW and AM amped to the teeth and taking out trans or skyfather threats. The threat was just bigger than WW3 Adam, WWH or Thor.

Stops at 5

Phil. The reason we have 50 years of giant green scissors isnt because the writers arent mathematicians?

Stops at 5. And people it's not Zom Strange, it's ZOMLING Strange. Strange only had a tiny portion of Zom's power.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Phil. The reason we have 50 years of giant green scissors isnt because the writers arent mathematicians?

What?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If what Victor says here is true, it might stop a lot sooner than that ...

This was one of the reasons I said what I said. Large quantities of electricity has koed Superman and Ironman also had an adamantium spike that he used. If he use it anywhere close to the way he used it against WWH, the fight is done. He also have the physically strength to hang with Supes. The guy assisted in splitting New York in half during his scuffle against Hulk.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Why don't you think Hulk won??

He did win. It was shown that against a lot of WWH enemies, it took one punch to end the fight and that's exactly what happened in his fight against Zom. One solid hit.

Originally posted by zopzop
Stops at 5. And people it's not Zom Strange, it's ZOMLING Strange. Strange only had a tiny portion of Zom's power.

Originally posted by Philosophía
They weren't holding back.

What you must understand [it will take some time] is that characters in comics are never written in CBR-style. Writers aren't mathematicians, or spend months of their times arguing the very best use of the characters' abilities. There will always be a 'why didn't they fight EXACTLY the way I wanted to?!!' autistic-screeching from you, but that doesn't change the writers intent - which is that nobody was holding back, but Superman was still by far the most powerful.

There has never been a canon comic book arc. Where EVERY SINGLE CHAR involved fought to the absolute BEST of their abilities (plot be damned) without extenuating circumstances like outside amps/subconscious or consciously holding back/ mind-control/or implicit or explicitly weakened state while going for broke to achieve a win. All you gave me was a list of excuses and some off topic tangent about writers.

If you can't follow the conversation or grasp the simplicity of my statement maybe you should quote another super senior member in your attempt to educate. I however am not the one

Originally posted by Sin I AM
There has never been a canon comic book arc. Where EVERY SINGLE CHAR involved fought to the absolute BEST of their abilities (plot be damned)

Being a douche has nothing to do with my argument, I just like ruffling your feathers. It's a bonus.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The fact that you repeat this 'best of their abilities plot be damned' shows that you really can't grasp what I typed, and can't differentiate between forum abilities and comic book stories/writers intentions. The characters weren't holding back, yet Superman was portrayed by far away the most powerful.

Being a douche has nothing to do with my argument, I just like ruffling your feathers. It's a bonus.

And yet the point continues to escape you so I will repeat it ad nauseam. We derive "forum abilities " from on panel showings. We don't just pull shit out of our collective asses. Not sure why you're peddling that particular brand of bs.

No feathers to ruffle..just stating the obv.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And yet the point continues to escape you so I will repeat it ad nauseam. We derive "forum abilities " from on panel showings. We don't just pull shit out of our collective asses. Not sure why you're peddling that particular brand of bs.

No feathers to ruffle..just stating the obv.

We spend months cataloguing every feat based on decades of history to maximize the abilities of characters. Writers don't do that.

If we have clear portrayals of characters going all-out, and Superman being clearly above everyone else, we don't go into retarded semantics of how we'd have written the fight.

If we go by your abhorrent stupidity, no comic book fight would ever matter, no matter the intent of the writers, because of how each of us would personally write the fights.

It's astonishing that this has to be explained to you.

Originally posted by carver9
This was one of the reasons I said what I said. Large quantities of electricity has koed Superman and Ironman also had an adamantium spike that he used. If he use it anywhere close to the way he used it against WWH, the fight is done. He also have the physically strength to hang with Supes. The guy assisted in splitting New York in half during his scuffle against Hulk.

No one here has the strength to hang with Superman under these stips, especially in a forum fight.