Originally posted by cdtm
What did he do, show Thor his entire comic book life? 🙂
http://http://i.imgur.com/NwJxkx4.jpg
He really did want to have a beer with him. 😂
Originally posted by Supermutant😬 he's outright beaten daredevil in h2h before.......
And DD has also one-shotted him more times than vice versa. The only times I remember Castle winning against DD is either one sided prep (which he doesn't have here) or sonics. I'm also pretty sure Frank has admitted that he's no match for DD h2h or something similar.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
The fight starts with them half a kilometer apart (about five and a half football fields apart), in a featureless environment offering no cover, and only Castle has a long-distance high-velocity arsenal which can not only incapacitate, but kill. That would be tough for anyone under Spider-Man's agility level and without precognition or superhuman durability to close the distance and turn it into a brawl without getting shot multiple times.If anything, there is plenty of Dick wanking going on... Pun not intended, but it's okay, laugh.
I know Nightwing has quite a few aim/bullet-dodging feats, even dodging fire from marksmen like Deathstroke. Feats are great to help gauge and quantify characters' abilities, especially on the higher end of the power scale. I've gotta say though, when it comes to street-levelers and bullet-dodging, too often are their feats displayed and the argument presented that they more or less can't be shot. Consistent feats are accepted as the norm and will be used as evidence in discussion, and my opinion of it all won't change that, but one can only suspend disbelief so much before it becomes utterly ridiculous.
Nightwing is FASTER than Bruce who's already shown to be able to dodge 3600 FPS Sniper Rounds with his back turned. Unless Frank is packing something with such an outrageous velocity (no Earth based firearm) than he's not going to tag Dick.
I understand that Punisher has some insane weaponry though so I'm not elimianting that possibility. That being said this scenario seems heavily in favor of Punisher.
Originally posted by DTMNightwing has dodged bullets from Deathstroke several times, if he can do that he can dodge Punisher.
Punisher has shot Daredevil and Spider-Man several times, if he can do that, he can tag Nightwing, and hell, its not like hes not able to hold his own against Nightwing close up anyway.
That ABC logic works both ways
Originally posted by deathslash
😬 he's outright beaten daredevil in h2h before.......
You are going to have to prove this. The best I've ever seen Punisher was get a temporary stalemate although he would be worse off in strictly h2h.
Another instance of DD dodging Punisher's bullets and closing the gap to own him.
And other one
So in this thread I've posted three time where DD has dodged gunshots from Frank and closed the gap.
Where is the evidence that NW gets hits by bullets from shooters that would significantly damage him?
Not only has he evaded gunfire from Slade, but also Red Hood.
Anyway below are mostly full battles between DD and Pun. DD definitely looks better.
https://arousinggrammar.com/2012/07/15/daredevil-vs-punisher/
Some quotes from Pun describing DD like I mentioned earlier, "He's faster than me"..."He's too good."
Originally posted by cdtm
Miller had him tranc Matt outright.He also blasted Matt's stick out of the air.. Miller Punisher was AWESOME.
I think a lot of Punisher's supporters are really mis-remembering his encounters with DD, to say it politely.
Frank blasting Matt's billy club didn't end well for him.
This tactic of using a stick as a distraction can easily be replicated by NW against Punisher as well.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're just cherry-picking.And Dick is inferior to DD.
The thing is I am not. I am asking for DD vs Pun h2h encounters where Pun wins or even looks better in a stalemate. Every h2h battle that I've seen between the two DD wins or looks better in a stalemate. So yeah If I am wrong, show me? I don't think I've seen all there fights but probably most.
Also Dick isn't inferior to DD by much, and his gear plus training/fighting crime since a child significantly narrows the very small edge I would give DD against him. NW is certainly closer to DD's level of skill than Punisher.
Again Punisher own thoughts clearly shows that DD is better.
"Sick of you predicting my every move before I even think it."
Originally posted by Supermutant
I think a lot of Punisher's supporters are really mis-remembering his encounters with DD, to say it politely.Frank blasting Matt's billy club didn't end well for him.
This tactic of using a stick as a distraction can easily be replicated by NW against Punisher as well.
The hell? Is that Daredevil vs Punisher the series? O_o
That's not the example I was talking about, but I've read it. Castle only lost because he accidentially shot a man, and realized he was losing control:
Here's what happens after your blatant cherry picked of a scan. Castle fights on.
Originally posted by cdtm
The hell? Is that Daredevil vs Punisher the series? O_oThat's not the example I was talking about, but I've read it. Castle only lost because he accidentially shot a man, and realized he was losing control:
Here's what happens after your blatant cherry picked of a scan. Castle fights on.
Cherry picking lol, I already gave the link to the whole freaking arc.
Originally posted by Supermutant
.Anyway below are mostly full battles between DD and Pun. DD definitely looks better.
https://arousinggrammar.com/2012/07/15/daredevil-vs-punisher/
but again here is what happen when you left off
So yeah DD hits Pun with a pressure point strike leaving that arm useless. DD's ability to keep dodging Pun's attacks cause him to shoot a civilian by accident.
DD was already in control of the fight before he made Pun lose control. That's even more impressive by DD, that his agility frustrated Pun so much, that DD ended taking him out with one baton throw to the face.
Originally posted by Supermutantsince when has sweeping your opponents legs meant ownage? Also, in that second set of scans, Frank himself says that he was just trying to get Matt's attention. I'm at work right now, but when I get home, I'll see if I can find some of their fights.
You are going to have to prove this. The best I've ever seen Punisher was get a temporary stalemate although he would be worse off in strictly h2h.Another instance of DD dodging Punisher's bullets and closing the gap to own him.
And other one
So in this thread I've posted three time where DD has dodged gunshots from Frank and closed the gap.
Where is the evidence that NW gets hits by bullets from shooters that would significantly damage him?
Not only has he evaded gunfire from Slade, but also Red Hood.
Anyway below are mostly full battles between DD and Pun. DD definitely looks better.
https://arousinggrammar.com/2012/07/15/daredevil-vs-punisher/
Some quotes from Pun describing DD like I mentioned earlier, [b] "He's faster than me"..."He's too good."
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I just want to leave you with one thought though. I'd like to see you prove that dick can beat someone with the level of pain tolerance and training that Frank has when he's had trouble with the joker in the past.
Originally posted by cdtm
Hardly a stomp, whatever your interpretation. Castle was very much in that fight before the kill.Castle has stood up to Matt across several writers, like Ann Nocenti here:
You could find countless examples of him giving as good as he gets against martial artists, metas, ect..
Here we go again trying to move the goal posts. I never said DD always stomp Frank. I do continue to stand by my statement that DD has never lost to Frank h2h. I also like your confession that what I had already posted was accurate and not cherry picking.
Furthermore who is arguing that Frank can't give a good fight to DD? He has highs and lows like every other character, but he has never beaten DD h2h that I know of.
Even with that scan you posted DD disarmed Frank and gets more shots in. I'm glad you posted that, here is more proof that DD skill simply outclasses Pun. Once again below he avoids Pun knife attack and disarm his of his gun.
And this isn't my interpretation, its the actually battle results that some here seems bent on trying to ignore.
