On a serious note, I'm genuinely curious how the hell you can justify Vitiate winning this, much less one-shotting. Do take note that Vitiate is confronting Ood under the exact same circumstances Kun did, per the OP's stipulations. This means Ood can fully draw on the nexus of Ossus' core, which allowed to pull of feats like this:
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453116-tanks+supernova+explosion.jpg
So how on earth could Vitiate, who doesn't have his amplifications that allowed for all of his combat feats up to this point, beat Ood when Exar Kun - Vitiate's superior as a Force user without his amps - armed with all the power of the dark side and his lightsaber, could not?
Feel free to attempt to prove Vitiate is packing more of a punch than a supernova.
Originally posted by Azronger
On a serious note, I'm genuinely curious how the hell you can justify Vitiate winning this, much less one-shotting. Do take note that Vitiate is confronting Ood under the exact same circumstances Kun did, per the OP's stipulations. This means Ood can fully draw on the nexus of Ossus' core, which allowed to pull of feats like this:http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453116-tanks+supernova+explosion.jpg
So how on earth could Vitiate, who doesn't have his amplifications that allowed for all of his combat feats up to this point, beat Ood when Exar Kun - Vitiate's superior as a Force user without his amps - armed with all the power of the dark side and his lightsaber, could not?
Feel free to attempt to prove Vitiate is packing more of a punch than a supernova.
A Dark Side Elite Sedriss found a way to eliminate Ood Bnar in that tree-like form by virtue of his ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. Unfortunately for Sedriss, Bnar was expecting that attack and brought an end to his own existence and that of Sedriss with his counter-move.
Vitiate is arguably an unparalleled master of ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. He corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas to the extent that restoration was impossible, before the events of novel. In-fact, he eliminated an entire rebellious Dark Council from afar, before the events of novel. How he accomplished that, is open to interpretation. However, don't pin Exar Kun's failure on him.
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Hype of Vitiate (NOV):
Under the guidance of the Emperor—the immortal and all-powerful savior who still reigned over them even after a thousand years—they abandoned the hedonistic lifestyles of their barbaric ancestors.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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He had risen to the penultimate position in the Empire, and while Scourge could understand his desire to eliminate Nyriss or other potential rivals, it was hard to imagine that he would be bold enough to challenge the immortal, all-powerful Emperor.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine, Vitiate could blame the extinction of his homeworld on the Jedi, further panicking the remaining Sith worlds.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Like Revan, The Emperor understood the Force in ways Scourge never would.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
Taken from The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Realizing this Empire was the true threat to the Republic, Revan and Malak faced the Sith Emperor himself, intending to cut off the serpent's head--but the Emperor was too powerful. Overwhelmed by the Emperor's dark presence, they pledged themselves to his service.
Taken from codex entry titled "Galactic History 74: Revan and Malak Fall."
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We consider power-scaling now.
Vitiate (NOV) is infinitely stronger than Darth Nyriss*:
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
*A member of the Dark Council who subdued Meetra Surik** and Lord Scourge simultaneously in a battle.
**A Jedi who is renowned for stopping for the deadly Sith Triumvirate earlier. She fought and defeated Darth Sion and Darth Traya in single combat [1 vs. 1] on Malachor V (a setting incredibly strong in the Dark Side). Surik was a Wound back then but that condition didn't made her unstoppable or something like that, contrary to what some fans of KoTOR II want you to believe. It is reiterated in KoTOR II and also the novel that Surik found Malachor V a punishing environment to inhabit.
Darth Sion (more than a match for several Jedi Masters of the era) < Meetra Surik < Darth Traya <= Darth Nyriss <<<<<<< Vitiate (NOV)
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Vitiate (NOV) is stronger than Revan (Reborn).
POINT 1: Revan's hype at the end of Mandalorian Wars:
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
POINT 2: Evidence of Revan's further growth in power after POINT 2:
Finally, the Mandalorians had been routed. The Jedi generals Revan and Malak had killed Mandalore and hounded the remnants of the enemy fleet far beyond the boundaries of Republic space–and in so doing, performed terrible deeds and learned dark powers.
Taken from codex entry titled "Galactic History 74: Revan and Malak Fall."
INTERMISSION
The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. With men and women like Revan in their ranks, it was easy to see how they had beaten back the Sith invasion a thousand years earlier. And it confirmed what he already suspected: the Emperor’s plan to launch another invasion against the Republic at this point in time was tantamount to suicide.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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She still wasn't sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan’s doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be. Even though he was a prisoner it wasn’t hard to imagine him being in total control of the situation.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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POINT 3: Revan (Reborn) is a substantial leap from his POINT 2:
In their last meeting he had overwhelmed Revan completely; it wasn’t even fair to call it a battle. Revan had grown since then. He was far more powerful now, but was he a match for the Emperor?
[Color]Alone, probably not.[/Color] With the combined strength of Meetra, Scourge, and even T3, however, he believed they stood a real chance of victory.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Their timing had to be almost perfect; Revan knew he couldn't go toe-to-toe with the Emperor by himself for very long.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Keep in mind that Revan (Reborn) is not just a Jedi but he packs the best of both philosophies:
Three centuries ago, Revan wielded the dual philosophies of Sith passion and Jedi tranquility to conquer his enemies; he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor.
Taken from The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Now, should I start from ranking of ancient Sith?
Karness Muur is arguably > Darth Vader. And Marka Ragnos is above all ancient Sith until Vitiate.
Originally posted by Azronger
On a serious note, I'm genuinely curious how the hell you can justify Vitiate winning this, much less one-shotting. Do take note that Vitiate is confronting Ood under the exact same circumstances Kun did, per the OP's stipulations. This means Ood can fully draw on the nexus of Ossus' core, which allowed to pull of feats like this:http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5453116-tanks+supernova+explosion.jpg
So how on earth could Vitiate, who doesn't have his amplifications that allowed for all of his combat feats up to this point, beat Ood when Exar Kun - Vitiate's superior as a Force user without his amps - armed with all the power of the dark side and his lightsaber, could not?
Feel free to attempt to prove Vitiate is packing more of a punch than a supernova.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Given that inqusitor sedriss forced the tree to connit suicide to take it down...
sedriss>kun> vitiate?
That is a terrible argument.A Dark Side Elite Sedriss found a way to eliminate Ood Bnar in that tree-like form by virtue of his ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. Unfortunately for Sedriss, Bnar was expecting that attack and brought an end to his own existence and that of Sedriss with his counter-move.
Vitiate is arguably an unparalleled master of ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. He corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas to the extent that restoration was impossible, before the events of novel. In-fact, he eliminated an entire rebellious Dark Council from afar, before the events of novel. How he accomplished that, is open to interpretation. However, don't pin Exar Kun's failure on him.
That is a terrible argument.
It's way better than the mess you typed, lol.
A Dark Side Elite Sedriss found a way to eliminate Ood Bnar in that tree-like form by virtue of his ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. Unfortunately for Sedriss, Bnar was expecting that attack and brought an end to his own existence and that of Sedriss with his counter-move.
You do realize the self-contradiction here, right?
And Sedriss didn't use Alter Environment anyway, he just drew power from the atmosphere.
Vitiate is arguably an unparalleled master of ALTER ENVIRONMENT powers. He corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas to the extent that restoration was impossible, before the events of novel. In-fact, he eliminated an entire rebellious Dark Council from afar, before the events of novel. How he accomplished that, is open to interpretation. However, don't pin Exar Kun's failure on him.
😂
Vitiate's Alter Envirmonment is limited to rituals. His personal power in that field is non-existent. Not that it matters, since AE wasn't used against Ood in the first place, and you've presented absolutely nothing from Vitiate that'd propel him above Kun, so I certainly can pin his failure to Vitiate 👆
--- --- ---Hype of Vitiate (NOV):
Under the guidance of the Emperor—the immortal and all-powerful savior who still reigned over them even after a thousand years—they abandoned the hedonistic lifestyles of their barbaric ancestors.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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He had risen to the penultimate position in the Empire, and while Scourge could understand his desire to eliminate Nyriss or other potential rivals, it was hard to imagine that he would be bold enough to challenge the immortal, all-powerful Emperor.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
---
The plan was both horrifying and brilliant. In addition to becoming more powerful than Meetra could imagine, Vitiate could blame the extinction of his homeworld on the Jedi, further panicking the remaining Sith worlds.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
---
Like Revan, The Emperor understood the Force in ways Scourge never would.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
---
Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side.
Taken from The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Realizing this Empire was the true threat to the Republic, Revan and Malak faced the Sith Emperor himself, intending to cut off the serpent's head--but the Emperor was too powerful. Overwhelmed by the Emperor's dark presence, they pledged themselves to his service.
Taken from codex entry titled "Galactic History 74: Revan and Malak Fall."
--- --- ---
We consider power-scaling now.
Vitiate (NOV) is infinitely stronger than Darth Nyriss*:
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
*A member of the Dark Council who subdued Meetra Surik** and Lord Scourge simultaneously in a battle.
**A Jedi who is renowned for stopping for the deadly Sith Triumvirate earlier. She fought and defeated Darth Sion and Darth Traya in single combat [1 vs. 1] on Malachor V (a setting incredibly strong in the Dark Side). Surik was a Wound back then but that condition didn't made her unstoppable or something like that, contrary to what some fans of KoTOR II want you to believe. It is reiterated in KoTOR II and also the novel that Surik found Malachor V a punishing environment to inhabit.
Darth Sion (more than a match for several Jedi Masters of the era) < Meetra Surik < Darth Traya <= Darth Nyriss <<<<<<< Vitiate (NOV)
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Vitiate (NOV) is stronger than Revan (Reborn).
POINT 1: Revan's hype at the end of Mandalorian Wars:
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order’s most powerful champion.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
POINT 2: Evidence of Revan's further growth in power after POINT 2:
Finally, the Mandalorians had been routed. The Jedi generals Revan and Malak had killed Mandalore and hounded the remnants of the enemy fleet far beyond the boundaries of Republic space–and in so doing, performed terrible deeds and learned dark powers.
Taken from codex entry titled "Galactic History 74: Revan and Malak Fall."
INTERMISSION
The Jedi's command of and connection to the Force was unlike anything Scourge had sensed in anyone else. Even though Revan was constantly drugged, it was impossible not to sense his strength. After years of studying him, Scourge had come to understand why the Jedi had such a fearsome reputation among the Sith. With men and women like Revan in their ranks, it was easy to see how they had beaten back the Sith invasion a thousand years earlier. And it confirmed what he already suspected: the Emperor’s plan to launch another invasion against the Republic at this point in time was tantamount to suicide.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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She still wasn't sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan’s doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be. Even though he was a prisoner it wasn’t hard to imagine him being in total control of the situation.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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POINT 3: Revan (Reborn) is a substantial leap from his POINT 2:
In their last meeting he had overwhelmed Revan completely; it wasn’t even fair to call it a battle. Revan had grown since then. He was far more powerful now, but was he a match for the Emperor?
[Color]Alone, probably not.[/Color] With the combined strength of Meetra, Scourge, and even T3, however, he believed they stood a real chance of victory.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Their timing had to be almost perfect; Revan knew he couldn't go toe-to-toe with the Emperor by himself for very long.
Taken from The Old Republic: Revan
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Keep in mind that Revan (Reborn) is not just a Jedi but he packs the best of both philosophies:
Three centuries ago, Revan wielded the dual philosophies of Sith passion and Jedi tranquility to conquer his enemies; he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor.
Taken from The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Now, should I start from ranking of ancient Sith?
Karness Muur is arguably > Darth Vader. And Marka Ragnos is above all ancient Sith until Vitiate.
Worthless garbage. You've absolutely failed to refute any of my points and instead spewed some powerscaling that in no way ties to Kun. If you want to prove Vitiate wins this, then prove that his damage output eclipses that of a lightsaber blade and a supernova. If your next post isn't directly addressing this, then I'll just stop wasting my time with you.
Originally posted by Azronger
It's way better than the mess you typed, lol.
See below.
Originally posted by Azronger
You do realize the self-contradiction here, right?And Sedriss didn't use Alter Environment anyway, he just drew power from the atmosphere.
Originally posted by Azronger
😂Vitiate's Alter Envirmonment is limited to rituals. His personal power in that field is non-existent. Not that it matters, since AE wasn't used against Ood in the first place, and you've presented absolutely nothing from Vitiate that'd propel him above Kun, so I certainly can pin his failure to Vitiate 👆
More importantly, a Force-wielder invests his power in a ritual. Therefore, Vitiate's feat of corrupting the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas is also a valid demonstration of his strength. The word 'ritual' doesn't invalidates it.
NOTE: Rituals in Star Wars are not necessarily voodoo magic. They are essentially acts of ALTER.
Originally posted by Azronger
Worthless garbage. You've absolutely failed to refute any of my points and instead spewed some powerscaling that in no way ties to Kun. If you want to prove Vitiate wins this, then prove that his damage output eclipses that of a lightsaber blade and a supernova. If your next post isn't directly addressing this, then I'll just stop wasting my time with you.
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
That is not an era-specific quote. It doesn't specifies when Vitiate became that strong. It just tells us that he is.
Case closed.
If that's the case (i.e. it was inadvertent), it's less impressive than what Plagueis accomplished.
A standard month after the events on Coruscant, Plagueis summoned Sidious to Muunilinst. Sidious had visited the High Port skyhook but had never been invited downside, and now he found himself soaring over one of the planet’s unspoiled blue oceans in a stylish airspeeder piloted by two Sun Guards. As the speeder approached Aborah, he settled deeply into the Force and was rewarded with a vision of the mountain island as a transcendent vortex of dark energy unlike anything he had ever experienced. It was something he would have expected to encounter only on Korriban or some other Sith world.
