Shaak Ti & Galen Marek vs. Savage Opress & Asajj Ventress

Started by Beniboybling9 pages

Originally posted by MythLord
That's exactly what it says. However, she renders the planet practically neutral since she's beating back the DS nexus. So I doubt either she or Marek would've been amped.
In which MythLord fills Nova's head with lies. ❌

The planet is nowhere stated to be a DS nexus, it is however, stated that the light side "held sway" and that the dark side had be "stifled" - this is exceptionally easy to work out.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Wouldn't change her potentially improving in combative performance if she didn't have to divert some of her energy, even passively to the nexus.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
In which MythLord fills Nova's head with lies. ❌

The planet is nowhere stated to be a DS nexus, it is however, stated that the light side "held sway" and that the dark side had be "stifled" - this is exceptionally easy to work out.

Riiiight...

"Kota leaned closer. 'Don't be overconfident, boy. Felucia is a world finely balanced between the light and dark sides of the Force. Shaak Ti was the only thing keeping it from being consumed by darkness. If anything's happened to her, your experience in the hut will seem like a bad dream in comparison.'"

-- TFU novelisation

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^"The Dark Side was strong on Felucia and Shaak Ti was a beacon in that darkness."

Felucia is a world balanced between Light and Dark, but that balance was only achieved through Shaak Ti's influence over it, otherwise the Dark Side would've consumed it.

And yet:

She had taken a world enjoying the normal flows between the light and the dark sides of the Force and twisted it out of balance. There was still darkness on Felucia, but it was stifled, frustrated, weakened. He strained to awaken it, to remind it of its proper place in the universe. The light side had held sway for far too long. It was time to redress the issue. Killing Shaak Ti would do that quite nicely."
But naturally, we should ignore Marek's first hand impression of the planet in favour of Kota's far more limited perspective? Riiiiight?

Face it, Kota's appraisal is either inaccurate or he's referring to the contested nature of the planet's alignment in general. And though Felucia is indeed strong in the dark side compared to other worlds, that doesn't mean the darkness was at all dominant. It wasn't. 👆

Yeah, that just confirms that Shaak Ti threw the planet out of whack. It doesn't mean the planet wasn't strong in the Dark Side prior to Shaak's arrival, especially when the comic confirms it as such. 👆

That's not what we are debating?

The point is that thanks to Shaak Ti's presence, the light side became the dominant side of the Force on Felucia.

I'm debating that the planet is(or rather was) strong in the Dark Side, but Shaak changed that. But since it's her presence that made it an LS nexus to begin with, she wouldn't really have been amped.

More nonsense. 🙂

As I recall, Plagueis & Sidious benefitted from the DS nexus that they brought about upon the galaxy, as did Sidious from Byss, and Vitiate from Dromund Kaas, despite them being of their own creation. I suppose the Force just works differently for Shaak. mmm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As I recall, Plagueis & Sidious benefitted from the DS nexus that they brought about upon the galaxy,

Only in the sense that they clouded the Jedi's visions/precognition. I don't really remember them getting any form of amp from it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
as did Sidious from Byss,

Because he wasn't the only one creating the nexus, darling. His acolytes were there to continuously strengthen it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
and Vitiate from Dromund Kaas,

He did it through a ritual, not through his mere presence or power like Shaak. Ti, for all intents and purposes, is the Light Side nexus on Felucia that off-balanced the world's natural flow.

Originally posted by MythLord
Only in the sense that they clouded the Jedi's visions/precognition. I don't really remember them getting any form of amp from it.
Darth Plagueis notes how they became stronger in the Force because of it extensively. Twice on Palpatine's count. 😬

Because he wasn't the only one creating the nexus, darling. His acolytes were there to continuously strengthen it.
Peripheral lackies have no bearing on the power of Palpatine, enough with the lies and conjecture. uhuh

He did it through a ritual, not through his mere presence or power like Shaak. Ti, for all intents and purposes, is the Light Side nexus on Felucia that off-balanced the world's natural flow.
Right, this is where your missing the point. The point is that these individuals were able to benefit from these nexuses because they were independent of their own power. Felucia is no different, and claiming that Ti is the nexus is total BS. Felucia is a planet saturated in the Force, and would remain so with or without her being there, all she did was change the nature of it's alignment, which would allow her to draw upon it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Even if he hadn't beat the program easily then that would be representative of the programs difficulty being above that of an initiate's capabilities to defeat for unknown reasons.

Padawans Nova....Padawans, there's a huge disparity between Initiate and Padawan in the Jedi Order.

With the latter having master both Form 1 and another lightsaber form(ontop of being trained through all the others), having explored the galaxy and having at least a decade of experience both combat and non-combat with their Master.

Not really relevant to the case, but that little thing was just nagging at me.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Is it not said to be a DS nexus (although apparently the comic goes out on a limb and calls it an LS nexus or something)?

From what I recall, Shaak is said to be a beacon of light in Felucia's darkness, which basically means she's a light sider on Felucia's DS nexus. But correct me if I'm wrong.

The novel says that Shaak shifted it into an LS nexus and the comic says Shaak was a beacon of light in the dark. I take that to mean Felucia was a DS nexus when she got there and she shifted it. Would you say that's reasonable?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Wouldn't change her potentially improving in combative performance if she didn't have to divert some of her energy, even passively to the nexus.

Regardless of if she's shifted it so that it's passively in a Lightside state or if she has to exert energy it's balanced out by the fact that the Darkside was stifled on the planet.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Padawans Nova....Padawans, there's a huge disparity between Initiate and Padawan in the Jedi Order.

With the latter having master both Form 1 and another lightsaber form(ontop of being trained through all the others), having explored the galaxy and having at least a decade of experience both combat and non-combat with their Master.

Not really relevant to the case, but that little thing was just nagging at me.

Sorry Zen. 😛

People still arguing over the LS/DS nexus BS?

👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Darth Plagueis notes how they became stronger in the Force because of it extensively. Twice on Palpatine's count. 😬

Quotes, please.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Peripheral lackies have no bearing on the power of Palpatine, enough with the lies and conjecture. uhuh

"The captured Padawans and survivors from the Jedi Service Corps are less gifted in the Force, but they will serve me nonetheless as Dark Side Adepts. Until I have use for them, they shall remain on Byss, where their connection to the Force will intensify the planet's growing nexus of dark side potency."
-- Book Of Sith: Secrets From The Dark Side

So it's more than Sheev's power that's caused the nexus on Byss. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, this is where your missing the point. The point is that these individuals were able to benefit from these nexuses because they were independent of their own power. Felucia is no different, and claiming that Ti is the nexus is total BS. Felucia is a planet saturated in the Force, and would remain so with or without her being there, all she did was change the nature of it's alignment, which would allow her to draw upon it.

However, these individuals weren't causing a planetary disbalance with their mere power and presence, like Ti was. They did it through rituals, exparimentations, and it was more than just their own power at play here.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Padawans Nova....Padawans, there's a huge disparity between Initiate and Padawan in the Jedi Order.

With the latter having master both Form 1 and another lightsaber form(ontop of being trained through all the others), having explored the galaxy and having at least a decade of experience both combat and non-combat with their Master.

Not really relevant to the case, but that little thing was just nagging at me.


so would that all pt era jedi were masters of form 1

Originally posted by MythLord
Quotes, please.
Plagueis remained convinced that he was on the verge of absolute success. The evidence was in his own increased midi-chlorian count; and in the power he sensed in Sidious when he had finally returned to Sojourn. The dark side of the Force was theirs to command, and in partnership they would someday be able to keep each other alive, and to rule the galaxy for as long as they saw fit.
A tremor took hold of the planet. Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world's core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake's epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return.
Naturally, when you bring the Force itself over to your side, your going to see some benefits. 😬

(It should also be noted that the Jedi did the reverse for the galaxy before the Sith's intervention, without any strain or arguably even agency on their part.)

"The captured Padawans and survivors from the Jedi Service Corps are less gifted in the Force, but they will serve me nonetheless as Dark Side Adepts. Until I have use for them, they shall remain on Byss, where their connection to the Force will intensify the planet's growing nexus of dark side potency."
-- Book Of Sith: Secrets From The Dark Side

So it's more than Sheev's power that's caused the nexus on Byss. 👆

Uhuh like I said utterly peripheral in the grand scheme of things. Or are we to seriously suggest that Palptatine needed these individuals to create and benefit from the nexus?

However, these individuals weren't causing a planetary disbalance with their mere power and presence, like Ti was. They did it through rituals, exparimentations, and it was more than just their own power at play here.
And? You've failed to articulate how this disproves my point. Though the circumstances may differ, they and Ti are all alike in benefitting from the power of an independent entity that they were able to create, enhance or otherwise bring under their sway, and in so far, you've failed to defend this notion that Ti was the nexus itself, as opposed to the Force strong planet itself.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
so would that all pt era jedi were masters of form 1

Well yeah, it's the foundation for all the other light saber forms, making it easier for them to use the others when needed.