Originally posted by SunRazer
Where? Always open to KotOR II wank, even if it isn't legit. 🙂On a more serious note, if this is true, we only have more of a reason to not take these stupid quotes. But we know that already. Aren't these the ones that rank Bastila alongside Obi-Wan and Dooku?
Dooku and Sion (and Vader and Nihilus) are CL 19, while Obi Wan and Atris are CL 15. Maul is a pitiful CL 13. Traya (and Sidious and Yoda) are CL 20. Darth Bane, by the way, is the most powerful character from Saga Edition if I'm not mistaken. He's CL 20 with the highest stat array.
Atris - KotOR CG pg 141
Exile - as above pg 140
Traya - as above pg 158
Sion - as above 159
Nihilus - as above 160
Bane - Threats of the Galaxy pg 85
TPM Maul - as above pg 79
So, Bane ~ Sidious ~ Traya > Sion ~ Nihilus ~ Vader ~ Dooku > Obi Wan ~ Atris ~ Meetra > Maul 🙂 🙂 🙂
Yes, it's from WotC but the quote referring Bastila, Dooku and Obi Wan (and calling them second rate force users LMFAO) is from the miniature games.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Dooku and Sion (and Vader and Nihilus) are CL 19, while Obi Wan and Atris are CL 15. Maul is a pitiful CL 13. Traya (and Sidious and Yoda) are CL 20. Darth Bane, by the way, is the most powerful character from Saga Edition if I'm not mistaken. He's CL 20 with the highest stat array.Atris - KotOR CG pg 141
Exile - as above pg 140
Traya - as above pg 158
Sion - as above 159
Nihilus - as above 160Bane - Threats of the Galaxy pg 85
TPM Maul - as above pg 79So, Bane ~ Sidious ~ Traya > Sion ~ Nihilus ~ Vader ~ Dooku > Obi Wan ~ Atris ~ Meetra > Maul 🙂 🙂 🙂
Yes, it's from WotC but the quote referring Bastila, Dooku and Obi Wan (and calling them second rate force users LMFAO) is from the miniature games.
Those are just stats. Not canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This isn't a blatant contradiction, so looks good. 👆If the source was bad, Chee would have shot it down.
Dooku's factually more skilled and powerful than Bastila as well as KotOR Revan, never mind Darth Revan.
Anyway, I know you don't actually take this quote and only do so if people are taking the Exar > Vitiate stuff, but you do realize the inherent contradiction in that, right? Darth Revan > Exar > Vitiate > Novel Revan. lol
Also, is this actually a Legends source?
Originally posted by RHaggis
https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/848300714782711808Asked Leeland on Twitter. His answer can be interpreted differently, but regardless... thoughts?
That solved absolutely nothing.
We already know web articles are C-canon.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Dooku's factually more skilled and powerful than Bastila as well as KotOR Revan, never mind Darth Revan.Anyway, I know you don't actually take this quote and only do so if people are taking the Exar > Vitiate stuff, but you do realize the inherent contradiction in that, right? Darth Revan > Exar > Vitiate > Novel Revan. lol
Also, is this actually a Legends source?
No? Vitiate w/ amp > Revan Reborn > Darth Revan > Kun > Vitiate w/o amp.
Uh, yeah?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
None that I recall. The quote saying Droma is second to Kun and what-not doesn't mean what people say it does.There's a reason these quotes have been known for decades and only recently, with a new anti-Vitiate brigade rising, that they're being interpreted so terribly.
Then post an alternate interpretation. Oh wait, you already did and it was far more terrible than mine. 🙂
Anyone care to find the source of this quote?
Bastila could be thought of as a second-tier Jedi. She's clearly not as capable as characters such as Mace Windu, Jedi Master; Yoda, Jedi Master; or Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter; but she's roughly on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master or Darth Tyranus.If it's also meant to refer to their strength outside of the Miniatures, it places Bastila near Obi-Wan. Whatever that's supposed to mean. Still not a surprise, if Revan was one of the 3 most powerful Sith Lords as of May 2008.—Champions of the Force Preview 6
Originally posted by Geistalt
Anyone care to find the source of this quote?
If it's also meant to refer to their strength outside of the Miniatures, it places Bastila near Obi-Wan. Whatever that's supposed to mean. Still not a surprise, if Revan was one of the 3 most powerful Sith Lords as of May 2008.
Here's the full quote:
A brash, impulsive, and powerful Jedi, Bastila Shan was gifted with the rare art of Battle Meditation. By concentrating on the lives around her, she could bolster the resolve of her allies while disheartening her enemies. The technique is exhausting and difficult, but Bastila proved invaluable in several critical battles against Darth Revan and Darth Malak. In fact, she led the attack on Revan's flagship that resulted in the Sith Lord's capture and memory wipe.Revan was given a new persona and paired with Bastila in the search for the Star Forge, the mysterious source of the Sith Lords' seemingly limitless armada. Bastila shepherded Revan through his rediscovery of his Force abilities, keeping a watchful eye on him for any sign of the dark side. Unfortunately, this intense awareness of the dark side, paired with her reckless nature, ultimately led to her being drawn into Darth Malak's control as his new apprentice. In the end, her fate was in the hands of Revan when he confronted her on the Star Forge.
In the Star Wars Miniatures Game, Bastila could be thought of as a second-tier Jedi. She's clearly not as capable as characters such as Mace Windu, Jedi Master; Yoda, Jedi Master; or Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter; but she's roughly on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master or Darth Tyranus. Although her Defense and Attack are a bit low for a character of this cost, Triple Attack more than makes up for it. She also has Lightsaber Sweep and Lightsaber Deflect, again nicely fitting this second-tier niche.