This quote - legit or no?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Oh noes quotes involving Palpatine & Byss?! How will I cope. 🙁

And non-canon blogs are posted to SW.com every day. Utter fail of an argument.

Regardess, I never said it was fan fiction, just not official source material.

Um, you do realize that SW.com and WotC are two entirely different websites, do you? So just because SW.com posts their non-canonical blogs on the official site, does not mean WotC does. If Ant is to be believed, WotC has all the non-canon stuff on the forum boards.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Anyone care to find the source of this quote?

If it's also meant to refer to their strength outside of the Miniatures, it places Bastila near Obi-Wan. Whatever that's supposed to mean. Still not a surprise, if Revan was one of the 3 most powerful Sith Lords as of May 2008.

Here's the source:

https://sites.google.com/site/assfrancstarwarsmini/presentation-du-jeu/d-les-figurines/preview/set-5-champions-of-the-force/preview-6a

Originally posted by Azronger
Um, you do realize that SW.com and WotC are two entirely different websites, do you? So just because SW.com posts their non-canonical blogs on the official site, does not mean WotC does. If Ant is to be believed, WotC has all the non-canon stuff on the forum boards.

That was just a blog.

This source, however, was specifically posted alongside all the rest. There's no reason not to count it that I can see.

Ah; thx @Az.

Originally posted by Azronger
Um, you do realize that SW.com and WotC are two entirely different websites, do you? So just because SW.com posts their non-canonical blogs on the official site, does not mean WotC does. If Ant is to be believed, WotC has all the non-canon stuff on the forum boards.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The sentence before (not shown within the quote) clarifies it's within the continuity of the Star Wars Miniatureverse, in sharp distinction to Darth Revan's quotes where no notice was placed.

A notice is placed afterwards by them saying that they're trying to answer it with SW miniatures.

In any case, the quote can equally be interpreted as just referring to the general collective group of the most powerful Sith Lords (not necessarily the top three) and simply being represented here by Revan, Caedus and Palpatine, who are indeed among the most powerful. Sort of like this:

The most powerful Sith Lords possess a talent for the dark alchemy of the Sith.

-- The Dark Side Sourcebook

Sidious did.

Plagueis did.

Vitiate did.

Revan may have.

Originally posted by SunRazer
A notice is placed afterwards by them saying that they're trying to answer it with SW miniatures.

In any case, the quote can equally be interpreted as just referring to the collective group of the most powerful Sith Lords (not necessarily the top three) and simply being represented here by Revan, Caedus and Palpatine. Sort of like this:

No, it can't. All the most powerful Sith Lords would have a talent for Sith alchemy. Palpatine, Vitiate, Plagueis, etc. have all showed abilities in that field. Even if they never showed the ability, they would still have a talent for it by virtue of being the most powerful.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What does that have to do with... anything?

No? Vitiate w/ amp > Revan Reborn > Darth Revan > Kun > Vitiate w/o amp.

Uh, yeah?

It has to do with this because it's a blatant contradiction. Dooku > KotOR Revan, never mind Darth Revan. Nihilus is also stated in KotOR II to be stronger than Darth Revan.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It has to do with this because it's a blatant contradiction. Dooku > KotOR Revan, never mind Darth Revan. Nihilus is also stated in KotOR II to be stronger than Darth Revan.

The Revan novel states Darth Revan is more powerful than Nihilus, retconning KotOR II's quote regardless.

Plagueis never demonstrated a talent for Sith alchemy. 😬

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact they're answering the question within the Star Wars Miniature universe doesn't mean the question is asked within such. As I made clear, it wasn't since the most powerful Sith within that universe isn't Palpatine, Revan, and Caedus. It's probably Bane, Kun, and Droma.

No, it can't. All the most powerful Sith Lords would have a talent for Sith alchemy. Palpatine, Vitiate, Plagueis, etc. have all showed abilities in that field.

1. Fair enough.

2. I know that. It has nothing to do with my point, which is that the wording specifically mentions "the most powerful Sith Lords" but in reality is just referring to anyone who is one of the most powerful Sith Lords. I'm saying an equivalent interpretation can be made here. Despite the fact that the wording is "the most powerful Sith Lords", the WotC quote is just referring to any of the Sith who could be named "one of the most powerful". They simply chose Palpatine, Caedus and Revan to represent this group - this does not make them the top three per se.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even if they never showed the ability, they would still have a talent for it by virtue of being the most powerful.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku being more skilled has nothing to do with Darth Revan not being more powerful, lmfao.

The Revan novel states Darth Revan is more powerful than Nihilus, retconning KotOR II's quote regardless.

1. I meant Dooku being more powerful than Revan, obviously, not just more skilled.

2. It doesn't. It says "command of the Force". And whilst you can argue that Drew has used it interchangeably with Force power, that doesn't in of itself prove that it's referring to power here.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Plagueis never demonstrated a talent for Sith alchemy. 😬

Plagueis (and Tenebrous) were unable to practice Sorcery.

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. I know that. It has nothing to do with my point, which is that the wording specifically mentions "the most powerful Sith Lords" but in reality is just referring to anyone who is one of the most powerful Sith Lords. I'm saying an equivalent interpretation can be made here.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. I meant Dooku being more powerful than Revan, obviously, not just more skilled.

2. It doesn't. It says "command of the Force". And whilst you can argue that Drew has used it interchangeably with Force power, that doesn't in of itself prove that it's referring to power here.

Given the quote with Nihilus over Revan is a vague character opinion from Surik or Kreia, I don't have to prove shit, since such quotes don't dictate canon policy.

The Revan novel quote is just as good as the vague KotOR II quotes, basically.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, it's saying that the foremost Sith Lords have a knack for Sith Sorcery. In other words, you can't be in the top whatever without having having at least the gift of Sith Sorcery. Just unlike my quote, which is just referring to the top three Sith, this quote applies to more Sith, but it's referring to all the top Sith nonetheless.

Right. My point is that in both cases the quote mentions "the most powerful Sith Lords" - what they really mean is "anyone who can be called one of the most powerful". In WotC's case, they chose Revan, Palpatine and Caedus to represent that group, but that doesn't specifically make them the top three.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Right. My point is that in both cases the quote mentions "the most powerful Sith Lords" - what they really mean is "anyone who can be called one of the most powerful". In WotC's case, they chose Revan, Palpatine and Caedus to represent that group, but that doesn't specifically make them the top three.

The quote doesn't say "some" or "among" the most powerful. It specifically states "the" most powerful.

The only difference between the quotes is that a specific number isn't listed for the Sorcery, whereas for the WotC it limits it to three.

The X number of Sith in the first and the three in the second are the 1, 2, 3, etc. in the list anyway.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku's not more powerful than Revan.

Given the quote with Nihilus over Revan is a vague character opinion from Surik or Kreia, I don't have to prove shit, since such quotes don't dictate canon policy.

The Revan novel quote is just as good as the vague KotOR II quotes, basically.

He is. He's more powerful than Mace as of TPM per Yoda, and by TPM Mace is above KotOR Revan, never mind Darth Revan.

There's nothing vague at all. The Exile, Kreia and the Jedi Masters in KotOR II make it abundantly clear that Nihilus > Revan.

The Revan novel, on the other hand, rewrites Nihilus completely, so there's no reason to believe that it refers to Nihilus as in KotOR II. Certainly there's no reason to consider it binding when Nihilus is represented in the novel with completely inaccurate information. The quote can be taken to apply to the post-JCW renegade Jedi Nihilus from the book, not the same one in KotOR II. And there are valid arguments that have been made to exclude Nihilus from falling under the jurisdiction of a quote that refers to one's "command of the Force".

Whereas the quote in KotOR II obviously encompasses Darth Revan accurately.