Spiderman VS Wolverine in a headbutt fest

Originally posted by Dareangel
when a person is getting knocked out during a fight, he can still remain with his fists closed its a reflex.

And how common is this? Are we to apply this - rather rare occurrence to a world of gamma strong men and indestructible metals?

If he was KO'ed after two punches, why did WWH continue? He was trying to avoid drawn out confrontations in the first place - hence the rattling - all of his actions were designed to minimise wasted time.

Against Monet, rather than fight, he sent her to New Jersey.

Against Rockslide, he just threw his arms away.

Against Juggy, he just pushed him into the lake.

Again, it all is moot, as Spidey can't output the same amount of damage. WWH took more than one punch to give him brain damage - two, according to you, and seven or so, according to us.

Spidey in three, four, five hits isn't doing more damage than WWH in one hit.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i am looking at the scans again and its the same picture. you see the third claw missing and hidden. you have a glimps of that claw because its not the entire claw stuck inside the arm but a good portion of it does. when you slash horizontal its hard to get the entire claw stuck straight up in line while the others arent.

All three claws, all three times. At no point are the claws on Wolverine's slashing hand stuck, there is an obscured claw in the third image because of the angle at which we see it and the other two claws, but it is clearly not lodged inside of Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And how common is this? Are we to apply this - rather rare occurrence to a world of gamma strong men and indestructible metals?

If he was KO'ed after two punches, why did WWH continue? He was trying to avoid drawn out confrontations in the first place - hence the rattling - all of his actions were designed to minimise wasted time.

Against Monet, rather than fight, he sent her to New Jersey.

Against Rockslide, he just threw his arms away.

Against Juggy, he just pushed him into the lake.

Again, it all is moot, as Spidey can't output the same amount of damage. WWH took more than one punch to give him brain damage - two, according to you, and seven or so, according to us.

Spidey in three, four, five hits isn't doing more damage than WWH in one hit.

Originally posted by Ize19

All three claws, all three times. At no point are the claws on Wolverine's slashing hand stuck, there is an obscured claw in the third image because of the angle at which we see it and the other two claws, but it is clearly not lodged inside of Hulk.

plseas, look closely. at the first scan its the claw you pointed out as number 2. at the second and third scan its the claw you pointed number 1. they are halfway stuck inside hulks arm. they are in his arm. not the entire claw as some of the claw is visible but part of the claw is stuck inside. its visible.

Originally posted by Dareangel
plseas, look closely. at the first scan its the claw you pointed out as number 2. at the second and third scan its the claw you pointed number 1. they are halfway stuck inside hulks arm. they are in his arm. not the entire claw as some of the claw is visible but part of the claw is stuck inside. its visible.

No they're not. And if they are, how do you explain the blood spatter in the first scan that starts behind the claws, the motion lines in the second scan that shows he made a full slash, and the blood spatter that starts at the sheath in the third scan? They all point to Wolverine not merely being stuck, but actively slashing each time.

Originally posted by Ize19
No they're not. And if they are, how do you explain the blood spatter in the first scan that starts behind the claws, the motion lines in the second scan that shows he made a full slash, and the blood spatter that starts at the sheath in the third scan? They all point to Wolverine not merely being stuck, but actively slashing each time.

as i pointed out already, you can see that claw is inside hulk. its stuck and its a fact. you cant say the claw is outside because even if we take your own theory, which is that its just a slash, the claw still has to be inside hulk in order for it to be a slash. the motion lines at first are there to show the slash. then we see lines of green blood because the claws are stuck but the blood is still comming out from those slashes even with the claws still stuck. so the slash wounds are bleeding and gushing.

Originally posted by Dareangel
as i pointed out already, you can see that claw is inside hulk. its stuck and its a fact. you cant say the claw is outside because even if we take your own theory, which is that its just a slash, the claw still has to be inside hulk in order for it to be a slash.

I feel like you're backtracking here. So now the claw is only inside a little bit, enough to cut the Hulk? Cause here's where you started:

Originally posted by Dareangel
if you look at the scans, the slashing claws are stuck in the same position. you dont see the third claw. basically the third claw is stuck in his arm in a slashing position that didnt end. you can clearly see that its the same slash , located in the same direction. one of the scans shows it higher than the other bad thats a drawing thing. sometimes the drawing is not perfect and consistant with the intentions.

Then it was 90% hidden in his arm:

Originally posted by Dareangel
if you look at the scans you can clearly zoom in and see the third claw is inside around 90% of it. its logical since it will be hard to get only 1 claw stuck horizontal inside an object after a slash.

Then it was halfway inside:

Originally posted by Dareangel
plseas, look closely. at the first scan its the claw you pointed out as number 2. at the second and third scan its the claw you pointed number 1. they are halfway stuck inside hulks arm. they are in his arm. not the entire claw as some of the claw is visible but part of the claw is stuck inside. its visible.

So now you're no longer claiming an inability to see the third claw as evidence of your theory, correct? Just trying to follow the argument here.

the motion lines at first are there to show the slash. then we see lines of green blood because the claws are stuck but the blood is still comming out from those slashes even with the claws still stuck. so the slash wounds are bleeding and gushing.

That's called rearranging the scans. Again, here's the actual page:

So first we see blood, in the shape of the motion of the slash, then we see motion lines, which you admitted show the slash, then we unambiguously see both claws completely free of Hulk's arm, then we see his claw slashing WWH again, so it's impossible to claim that this was a case of his claws being in the same position, as they are in the opposite position of the panel immediately before them.

If someone could post some bigger scans, I'd like to be able to read them.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If someone could post some bigger scans, I'd like to be able to read them.

My apologies, I just got a little frustrated with him pretending to be unable to see what was clearly on the page. I won't post them that big again.

Originally posted by Ize19
My apologies, I just got a little frustrated with him pretending to be unable to see what was clearly on the page. I won't post them that big again.

To be fair, Dareangel was not the only one having apparent difficulty seeing what was in his comics. I had to slog through a lot of taunts and insults before you finally admitted Spider Ock did what I said he did by what OP had outlined.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
To be fair, Dareangel was not the only one having apparent difficulty seeing what was in his comics. I had to slog through a lot of taunts and insults before you finally admitted Spider Ock did what I said he did by what OP had outlined.

Lol, you do like your deceptive wording, don't you. You had to slog through a lot of taunts and insults, but not by me, right? I never once taunted you, and only used one insulting expression, pearls before swine, to express my frustration at your lowballing of Wolverine.

And it's two different situations. I don't feel that a flash knockout followed by a reversal is proof of a victory, but you pointed out that it qualified by the threads parameters, so I acknowledged that. Dareangel claimed that something was happening on panel that actually wasn't, then claimed to have on panel proof that wasn't there, then kept claiming that proof, just saying he had less and less of it each time, but still claiming it was just as much proof as he had in the beginning.

But you know, who cares what actually took place, when we can get in another dig, right?

Originally posted by Ize19
Lol, you do like your deceptive wording, don't you. You had to slog through a lot of taunts and insults, but not by me, right? I never once taunted you, and only used one insulting expression, pearls before swine, to express my frustration at your lowballing of Wolverine ...

But you know, who cares what actually took place, when we can get in another dig, right?

mmm

Originally posted by Ize19
I really should know better, I know. It's just really hard for me to leave such ignorance unanswered. Ah well, pearls before swine.

Lol, yeah. It's pretty funny that he acts like every scan he's posted of Wolverine being "knocked out" hasn't been posted a million different times, by a million different haters. But he's busting the myth!

2nd paragraph is a taunt. First paragraph is an insult. And the deceptive wording is yours, unless you're in grade school and simply not old enough to understand how your message in combination with those of Stilt and Dark Saint forms a tandem attack. They, like you, are also guilty of failing to fully examine what they were given, and Dark Saint was so far off-base he couldn't even recognize one of the characters he presented. I'm used to D.S. behaving badly, though. Just not to the degree he demonstrated in this thread, is all.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mmm

2nd paragraph is a taunt. First paragraph is an insult. And the deceptive wording is yours, unless you're in grade school and simply not old enough to understand how your message in combination with those of Stilt and Dark Saint forms a tandem attack. They, like you, are also guilty of failing to fully examine what they were given, and Dark Saint was so far off-base he couldn't even recognize one of the characters he presented. I'm used to D.S. behaving badly, though. Just not to the degree he demonstrated in this thread, is all.

Yeah, already acknowledged the part you quoted. Lol, attack. Listen, you can keep pretending all you want, it's not Stilt, DS, and myself that have been dishonest in this thread. It's far longer than it deserves to be, but 12 pages isn't that much for anyone to peruse and see who's misrepresenting what.

Originally posted by Ize19

Yeah, already acknowledged the part you quoted. Lol, attack. Listen, you can keep pretending all you want, it's not Stilt, DS, and myself that have been dishonest in this thread. It's far longer than it deserves to be, but 12 pages isn't that much for anyone to peruse and see who's misrepresenting what.

You do better when you're giving a frank assessment of things, Ize.
What you're doing now ain't it.
DarkSaint was called out halfway through this thread, back on page 6:

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-- Originally posted by Philosophia --
I agree that Wolverine wins, but the disingenuous approach of 'Jameson punching Spiderman' vs 'WWH punching Wolverine' is staggering.

Anybody making fun of carver after this thread should combust instantaneously.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641421&pagenumber=6

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You do better when you're giving a frank assessment of things, Ize.
What you're doing now ain't it.
DarkSaint was called out halfway through this thread, back on page 6:

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-- Originally posted by Philosophia --
I agree that Wolverine wins, but the disingenuous approach of 'Jameson punching Spiderman' vs 'WWH punching Wolverine' is staggering.

Anybody making fun of carver after this thread should combust instantaneously.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641421&pagenumber=6

Again you quote that. Only problem is, DS might have posted the scans, but he's not the one that brought them up. He posted them because Dareangel was saying Spiderman could replicate the feat, and he wanted to prove that he couldn't. He didn't ever say "because it took WWH so many punches to knock out Wolverine, Spider-man can't do it." He just said that just because WWH managed to knock Wolverine out, wasn't proof that Spider-man could. Two distinctly different arguments.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

I assume you have moved on from attempting to imply that the Skrull had Colossus' level mass? And are now attempting to imply he used his flight?

But....as your own scan shows (or rather, does NOT show)....Skrullcrawler did NOT use any flight powers.

Or if he did, he perhaps did so in your mind? I mean, I can also posit that he used concussive eyebeams, or a mental attack, or any number of Skrull-related skrullduggery - but without any proof.

Addressing this more for completeness' sake than anything else, but "Skrullcrawler" DID actually use flight powers, for "Skrullcrawler" was, in fact, the same Skrull who impersonated Angel:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Addressing this more for completeness' sake than anything else, but "Skrullcrawler" DID actually use flight powers, for "Skrullcrawler" was, in fact, the same Skrull who impersonated Angel:

Do you have proof that the flight isn't an effect of his transforming into Angel? Since he didn't just fly as Nightcrawler, but morphed into a shape that could fly, it would imply that his flight is limited to the body shapes that are capable of it.

Originally posted by Ize19
Again you quote that. Only problem is, DS might have posted the scans, but he's not the one that brought them up. He posted them because Dareangel was saying Spiderman could replicate the feat, and he wanted to prove that he couldn't. He didn't ever say "because it took WWH so many punches to knock out Wolverine, Spider-man can't do it." He just said that just because WWH managed to knock Wolverine out, wasn't proof that Spider-man could. Two distinctly different arguments.

I think you're making the error of assuming Dark Saint posts things for the same reasons you do, much as I seem to remember you doing earlier for Stilt in this thread. I would assume you're probably equating my stance with Dareangel's, for that matter, and your tone and dialogue are consistent with someone who believes that. My stance isn't actually quite the same as his ...

Originally posted by Ize19
Do you have proof that the flight isn't an effect of his transforming into Angel? Since he didn't just fly as Nightcrawler, but morphed into a shape that could fly, it would imply that his flight is limited to the body shapes that are capable of it.

I think so, assuming that what Byrne, or whoever wrote this issue, was telling us through Torch's inner monologue in the wrap-up was true:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I think so, assuming that what Byrne, or whoever wrote this issue, was telling us through Torch's inner monologue in the wrap-up was true:

Is the Angel in that scan the same Angel that battled Spider-man as Nightcrawler?