Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You only seemed to focus on Toomes. No mention of dear old Aunt May? Random fat guy with his cinder block? Who KO'd Spidey just by falling on him?
I don't know your comic or how far Spidey and fat guy fell.
I recall Wolverine was knocked out, indeed almost killed, the one time I know of that someone fell on HIM from significant height, even though they landed on snow:
As for the other?
Even Wolverine knows better than to step to May Parker:
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't know your comic or how far Spidey and fat guy fell.I recall Wolverine was knocked out, indeed almost killed, the one time I know of that someone fell on HIM from significant height, even though they landed on snow:
As for the other?
Even Wolverine knows better than to step to May Parker:
That someone, of course, being a SOMEONE, as opposed to a random fat guy. Not sure if you know of him, but that is Sabretooth, a guy who is meant to be faster/stronger/more durable than Wolverine himself.
A guy who breaks his hand punching Wolverine.
http://i.imgur.com/jhzCqwj.png
In any case, he sure is heavier than this guy, who is so slight even Wolverine, no giant himself, calls 'elf':
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're now taking Logan's adamantium away, blue?
Some people are giving this thread fairly serious treatment; no reason I shouldn't follow suit.
How else to "test" statements like the following from the preceding pages of this thread?
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRockwolverines adamantium skull would kill spiderman, wolverine would have a concussion
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Without his healing factor, yes, probably.With his HF, he wouldn't even notice that.
I showed that first Sabretooth Wolverine fight for the reason I mentioned; no other showing came to mind to parallel "hero falling from great height and getting knocked out as guy falls on top of hero".
But it's worth exploring just the same:
What knocks out Wolverine when he has neither healing factor nor adamantium?
What knocks out Wolverine when he HAS healing factor but no adamantium?
What knocks out Wolverine when he has NO healing factor but has adamantium?
What knocks out Wolverine when he has BOTH healing factor and adamantium?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lucky for you I posted my scan of the diminutive Nightcrawler falling on top of Spiderman, knocking him out, then!
Something doesn't seem kosher, there.
Why does Spidey talk as if they've met before and that Nightcrawler's strength is far greater than he remembers?
Why does Nightcrawler talk like Dracula, seemingly considering whether Spidey should get a bite to the neck or not?
Where is that scan from?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Something doesn't seem kosher, there.
Why does Spidey talk as if they've met before and that Nightcrawler's strength is far greater than he remembers?
Why does Nightcrawler talk like Dracula, seemingly considering whether Spidey should get a bite to the neck or not?
Where is that scan from?
Reason for my question is,its not as if Spiderman was being choked out, or he was knocked out by Kurt's punch.
He was still conscious and inquisitive AFTER Kurt used his strength.
The only question you should be asking is, was Kurt denser than normal? Because that was all that was used to KO poor Spidey.
Despite falling into a pile of rubbish, from a not considerable height.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Why do any of those details matter?
Reason for my question is, it's not as if Spiderman was being choked out, or he was knocked out by Kurt's punch.
He was still conscious and inquisitive AFTER Kurt used his strength.
The only question you should be asking is, was Kurt denser than normal? Because that was all that was used to KO poor Spidey.
Despite falling into a pile of rubbish, from a not considerable height.
Are you normally THIS deceptive, Dark?
I searched and managed to find where that's from. That's not Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler at all.
That's a skrull. A skrull, as I type this, who apparently was, in true form, indistinguishable from another who successfully duplicated Colossus and HIS considerable weight and physical prowess.
Your submission, in fact, is from Fantastic Four #250, the issue the Shiar's Gladiator is introduced to the FF.
http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2015/05/from-ashes-of-defeat.html?m=1
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Are you normally THIS deceptive, Dark?I searched and managed to find where that's from. That's not Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler at all.
That's a skrull. A skrull, as I type this, who apparently was, in true form, indistinguishable from another who successfully duplicated Colossus and HIS considerable weight and physical prowess.Your submission, in fact, is from Fantastic Four #250, the issue the Shiar's Gladiator is introduced to the FF.
http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2015/05/from-ashes-of-defeat.html?m=1
When no dialogue indicates this?
Or was he successfully duplicating KURT and HIS diminutive weight? The dialogue clearly states that he was stronger, sure - but one would question Peter, a scientist of no small renown, 's powers of observation if he cannot distinguish between a Skrull who was duplicating a 500lb Colossus and a Skrull who was duplicating a 145lb Nightcrawler.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't know your comic or how far Spidey and fat guy fell.
Perhaps if you actually clicked on the links, you could make a rough estimate. In any case, even if he reached terminal velocity (doubtful, as they didn't end up as a smear on the pavement) that still does not make it all that fast.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You realize [Wolverine] recovered [from Spock's nerve pinch] right on the next page, right?
Now? Yes.
Since I don't own that comic, and only remember reading parts of something that may or may not have been that story several years ago?
No, I did NOT realize that.
Not till you showed what you did.
Nor does that really matter to me in the context of this discussion ( though I thank you for the scans), 'cause it wouldn't have had much bearing either way.
1. It'd be called non-canon if you thought it hurt your cause.
2. It's a nerve pinch, debate-ably not along the lines of what this thread really deals with.
3. No matter how long it lasted, it still knocked Wolverine out.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
think before you post ...
Definitely, but nothing I said there was wrong.
It's worth mentioning that most knockouts aren't forever events either, as discussion on that showing gives me the opportunity to demonstrate.
Would anyone deny the following is a clean knockout, for instance?
Spider-Man versus The Shocker, original
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Source: The Amazing Spider-Man #46, Volume 1
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: John Romita
Circa: 1966
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Definitely, but nothing I said there was wrong.It's worth mentioning that most knockouts aren't forever events either, as discussion on that showing gives me the opportunity to demonstrate.
Would anyone deny the following is a clean knockout, for instance?
Spider-Man versus The Shocker, original
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Source: The Amazing Spider-Man #46, Volume 1
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: John Romita
Circa: 1966
He's talking about how your whole point was that the scan you provided was completely irrelevant, and maybe next time you posted, you should try to avoid being just as irrelevant. Kind of like this post I'm quoting now.
Here is Wolverine, shot through the eye, with his HF turned off:
Although it isn't THAT high up, he IS being punched by an angry, fully hydrated Namor, who crushes all his organs AND the surrounding concrete, after multiple hits. He's still conscious though, and still able to think of (creative?) insults:
Here he is, falling headfirst from altitude, through multiple concrete levels, and ready to fight:
Originally posted by Ize19
He's talking about how your whole point was that the scan you provided was completely irrelevant, and maybe next time you posted, you should try to avoid being just as irrelevant. Kind of like this post I'm quoting now.
Doubtful.
If that was Stiltman's point, he unnecessarily wasted a lot of time focusing on the fact that Wolverine quickly RECOVERED from getting knocked out, instead of simply saying "Hey, that's a nerve pinch, that doesn't belong here!"
Instead, he took the time to point out, by posting several scans, that AFTER momentarily blanking out, Wolverine's healing factor allowed Wolverine to get back in the game.
Of course the most predictable thing in the world will be for Stilt to say NOW, after your comment "Why, yes, yes that was my point, Ize19", but it's moot, 'cause he didn't lead off with anything of that sort. YOU did, who have your own axe to grind.
And that post about the Shocker isn't irrelevant, only incomplete.
I WANTED someone to comment on that, as you did just now, which is why I even asked a question to be answered when I just gave that post.
Because it's the counter to what Stilt DID originally make a point of, which is that Wolverine recovered from the damage Spock did in seconds.
But that doesn't negate the fact that Wolverine WAS knocked out, anymore than the following negates the fact that Shocker knocked Spider-Man t.f.o. ...
