Orion (grounded) vs Wolverine/Sabertooth/Spiderman

Originally posted by Ize19
I'm not sure what it is about bricks and speedsters that makes so many comic book fans so emotional. The very idea that somebody who's weaker/slower than their opponent could actually have the toolset to achieve victory stirs up this rage...

Toolset to win is one thing. Actually beating a top tier is another.

This is not Namor or Thing we are talking about. You're in big leagues now.

And who said I'm angry?

Then while Orion is still trying to hit Spider-man, Sabretooth claws Wolverine out, and they use hit and run tactics to chip away at him until he slows down enough for one of them to put the finisher through his brain.

You are assuming Orion is slower than Spidey or he hits Wolverine some 50 feet in the ground?

😂

Orion is faster than all three put together. Not even Lightray who can move eight times faster than Light can evade Orion.

http://imgur.com/a/OUF7W

Like I said, you're not talking about Thor anymore.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Orion is faster than all three put together. Not even Lightray who can move eight times faster than Light can evade Orion.

http://imgur.com/a/OUF7W

Where in that scene was this shown

Originally posted by abhilegend
Toolset to win is one thing. Actually beating a top tier is another.

This is not Namor or Thing we are talking about. You're in big leagues now.

And who said I'm angry?

You are assuming Orion is slower than Spidey or he hits Wolverine some 50 feet in the ground?

😂

Orion is faster than all three put together. Not even Lightray who can move eight times faster than Light can evade Orion.

http://imgur.com/a/OUF7W

Like I said, you're not talking about Thor anymore.

I didn't see him moving anywhere near light speed when Orion attacked him. Just cause he can achieve that speed during flight isn't proof that he's that fast in combat, and certainly not that he's harder to hit than Spider-man.

Orion also displayed super speed in Simonsons run. All three get one-shotted.

Originally posted by Zack M
Orion also displayed super speed in Simonsons run. All three get one-shotted.

Not super speed! Anything but that! Why, this contextless, baseless statement has completely sapped my will to fight! Naw, I still say he gets his brains clawed out.

Simonson stated that his fight with Darkseid is similar to DBZ fights, in that they were using super speed. Orion wins.

Originally posted by Zack M
Simonson stated that his fight with Darkseid is similar to DBZ fights, in that they were using super speed. Orion wins.

So I went to his respect thread to see if I could actually look at this fight, but they were posted with imageshack. Do you have scans?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Where in that scene was this shown

Originally posted by Ize19
I didn't see him moving anywhere near light speed when Orion attacked him. Just cause he can achieve that speed during flight isn't proof that he's that fast in combat, and certainly not that he's harder to hit than Spider-man.

Here, he blitzes an entire star fleet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

Another blitz on foot.

http://imgur.com/a/O8WG7

Superspeed again.

http://i.imgur.com/oKFV0eb.jpg

Here is a whole issue of fight against Darkseid where they both fought a MA fight in Superspeed.

http://imgur.com/a/Bq3yg

Are you telling me he can't catch Spider-Man?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shown what?
Seriously? What's next Flash isn't harder to hit than Spider-Man?

Here, he blitzes an entire star fleet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111139323/3492624-astroforceblitzesfleet.jpg

Another blitz on foot.

http://imgur.com/a/O8WG7

Superspeed again.

http://i.imgur.com/oKFV0eb.jpg

Here is a whole issue of fight against Darkseid where they both fought a MA fight in Superspeed.

http://imgur.com/a/Bq3yg

Are you telling me he can't catch Spider-Man?

All of those feats were performed with the harness, with the exception of him outspeeding the little girl. Are you saying his speed is equal without the harness? If it is, I concede the speed argument.

Don't forget the Mr. Miracle instance. Orion was trying to catch Scott (Without the harness), but failed to do so. Scott has a specialty at getting away, so...

Only the first scan had the harness.

Originally posted by cdtm
Only the first scan had the harness.

I'm not an expert on his character. That chestplate isn't the harness? Then I stand corrected.

Yeah, that's just armor. Harness is always golden.

Nope. Not the harness.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, that's just armor. Harness is always golden.

Cool. I was fooled because in the original scans of "grounded" Orion, he didn't have the harness or the armor. My bad. If he's capable of fighting at light speed, then yeah, he blitzes the team and knocks them out before they can do anything. Still doesn't "one-shot" them, but doesn't struggle either.

Originally posted by Ize19
Cool. I was fooled because in the original scans of "grounded" Orion, he didn't have the harness or the armor. My bad. If he's capable of fighting at light speed, then yeah, he blitzes the team and knocks them out before they can do anything. Still doesn't "one-shot" them, but doesn't struggle either.

He had some armor that he normally didn't have for that fight, no indication it did more than provide protection. The fight with Darkseid was agreed to be just hand-to-hand(and was until Darkseid broke the rules at the end). One of Darkseid's few speed feats was moving so fast Pre-DOS Superman didn't even see him move.

Originally posted by Delta1938
He had some armor that he normally didn't have for that fight, no indication it did more than provide protection. The fight with Darkseid was agreed to be just hand-to-hand(and was until Darkseid broke the rules at the end). One of Darkseid's few speed feats was moving so fast Pre-DOS Superman didn't even see him move.

Wasn't that the same armor no had in the scene where he blitzes Delta Patrol? Whenever I see him pictured, that seems to be his standard uniform?

Originally posted by Ize19
Wasn't that the same armor no had in the scene where he blitzes Delta Patrol? Whenever I see him pictured, that seems to be his standard uniform?

In the Delta Patrol one. I also checked, he was actually in a coma when he did that. So, he basically blitzed them while sleep walking.

Originally posted by Delta1938
In the Delta Patrol one. I also checked, he was actually in a coma when he did that. So, he basically blitzed them while sleep walking.

😕 You didn't respond to my question...

Originally posted by Ize19
😕 You didn't respond to my question...

"In the Delta Patrol one" was meant as that's the armor.