Orion (grounded) vs Wolverine/Sabertooth/Spiderman

Originally posted by Sin I AM
For Carve

Where do I start? There's so much fail here. This is what is wrong with America. Your post screams Beta Male. Why are you making duck lip poses like a Instagram model? Why is your beard lined up? Do I seem like the type o chick that wants a guy who takes bathroom selfies? Why are you seeking validation online? A real man doesn't seek bitchez.. bitchez seek him. How could we possibly be a power couple when I have all the power?

For the record.

I have a man BTW. A man's man. A whisky drinking, cigarette rolling, dip spitting lumberjack of testosterone. Picture this.. my man's dick has a dick. I lift his sack to reveal another fully erect cock ripe for felatting. He's also, unlike yourself, NEVER flaccid. His cock is always at the ready, primed for virgin bussy who take bathroom selfies and shape their beards. I mean he went out a killed a motherphuckin deer for Thanksgiving phuckin dinner with his compound bow and BBQed that sumbitch while you probably went to Walmart to buy a turkey with an EBT card.

I mean seriously. Im Lady Phuckin Death over here.. you're a Thanos clone out stealing jewelry trying to get a shot of ass. WTF is wrong with you young man? I am very disappointed in your behavior. You are on time out

Originally posted by carver9
😂😂😂... my duck lips are going to get you, Sin

So we all agree on the duck lips 👆

Edit: but seriously. What do we mean by 'no BFR', or 'BFR off'?

Does it mean, for example, in this thread, Orion doesn't even think about throwing Wolverine to Georgia? Or that there is an invisible force field stopping him from doing so? Or that he does, and Wolverine just takes 3 months to walk back to the battlefield?

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

The motherbox can heal him better than he heals himself, but he still has a healing factor of his own. Stated in both comics and in bios.

Even a casual google search would have told you this.

Also, I'm not sure I believe you about the picture thing.

Lol... I can tell you're not going to let me win this.

I posted a full blown picture of myself and Philo carved out the lips of my picture. Don't defend him here, lol, he's weird and we need to accept that. You know you would not do anything like that because that type of mentality is beneath you. Deep down inside, you agree with that statement.

Well, no, because Orion HAS a HF. You stated he didn't. But he does, even without a Mbox.

Originally posted by carver9
Philo carved out the lips

Originally posted by carver9
carved out the lips

Originally posted by carver9
carved lips

Originally posted by carver9
carved lips

Oh, Derry. You lost soul.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I can tell you're not going to let me win this.

I posted a full blown picture of myself and Philo carved out the lips of my picture. Don't defend him here, lol, he's weird and we need to accept that. You know you would not do anything like that because that type of mentality is beneath you. Deep down inside, you agree with that statement.

Winning implies you were competitive in the first place.

Originally posted by leonidas
and that's fair enough, except i've seen IDENTICAL arguments made for surfer and other characters and seen it dismissed out of hand.

and again, the counter to it is to simply say both are moving at relatively the same speeds. that is VASTLY different from saying he reacted to something moving at or away from him at light speed while he was standing still. imagine you're chasing someone in a car, and you're both moving at 200kph and they change direction and you'll see what i mean. add to that that he's on his disks... and you can see the problem with this feat translating effectively.

And there are definitely aspects of relativity in that feat.
I dont for a second beleive he can react to FTL without moving at least near luminal speeds. But that feat combined with the others I posted (faster than the eye, faster than thought 120m/s),micro second reactions all clearly place him super sonic in combat speed.

Take the feat I posted of catching a bullet and throwing it back into the gun that fired it faster than the eye could see. The gunman's fist looked to be about the height of Orion's upper body when Orion worked out the door. Using angular displacement we know that the fist represents 10 degree and a multiple of 6. Orion is supposed to be 6'1". So his waist to he forehead is about 3 feet. So three times 6 means Orion was 18 feet or 5.5 meters away from the gunman.

The threw that bullet 18 feet without it being seen ONCE. The witness angle (as portrayed by the artist) was behind and slightly to the right of the gunman. The bullet was basically travelling in a slight tangent from his view. A human sees a still fram 23 times in a second (for motion pictures to actually look like motion a movie must move 24 fps). The bullet had to move the distance in 1/24th of a second. Basically it had to move at at least half the speed of sound.

Compare that to a feat of Spidey (the fastest on the team) moving FTE.
http://imgur.com/yEdRQWy

To our view (artist represented perception) they both look small but the assailant is only marginally larger than Spidey. Comparatively to Head hunters his fist is from Parker's starting position I about equal to his head at the back of his movement the thickness of his trunk based on 6 Times known size Parker starts 5-6 ft from Head hunters (head about 1 ft) moves back to 9-10 ft and bounces back to about 4 ft before he is seen again (I'm assuming that the full coloured version of Parker saying looking for me is when Hh regains visuals on Parker. So in the same 1/24 of a second Parker moved 9 ft.

Based purely on a comparison of feats where Spidey and Orion both move FTE can perceive Orion moves just under twice as far (I'm making some allowance for the fact that the human eye isn't perfect and.my old eyes certainly aren't so I may not have perfectly compared the sizes.

I dont think anyone is going to dispute that Spidey is faster than Logan or Sabretooth.

It's not a massive speed advantage, but on this alone we can say he has the combat speed to rest to two of these three assailants reasonably. It's also not his best feat and I'm sure there are other for Parker too.

On a side note, this thread went in a direction that I now feel I've walked into the boudoir of a lady of the evening and don't have sufficient funds to partake of her services.

I'm blushing so hard I could light up the night

Originally posted by Ize19
Wolverine has moved too fast for the eye to see on many occasions. [b]Moving too fast for the eye to see is not a feat that puts him above this trio. Four years later, and people still have no idea how fast Wolverine, Sabertooth, and Spider-Man are. [/B]

FTE feats are pretty standard for any good street, yes.

...

Even the ones without actual superpowers.

Wolverine solos.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So we all agree on the duck lips 👆

Edit: but seriously. What do we mean by 'no BFR', or 'BFR off'?

Does it mean, for example, in this thread, Orion doesn't even think about throwing Wolverine to Georgia? Or that there is an invisible force field stopping him from doing so? Or that he does, and Wolverine just takes 3 months to walk back to the battlefield?

Lmao forgot about the duck lips.

Bump. Orion still.

What speed fts does Orion have?

Originally posted by carver9
What speed fts does Orion have?

You count flight speed as relevant to combat now.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm using him flying 100 times the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
Or how about Thanos teleporting Gladiator 200 light years away and Gladiator making it back minutes later...

https://ibb.co/GvHZ8tYG

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

And you never proved your claim in that thread.

So you have nothing 🤣

I'd say Orion

Originally posted by carver9
So you have nothing 🤣

So you're moving the goal post again? You never proved Orion lost it. Show me a scan stating he lost it.

Orion destroys easily, what a dumb thread.

What speed fts does Orion have?

Originally posted by Ize19
Judging from the scans Galan posted, and the speed feats CDTM quoted, it sounds like "grounded" Orion isn't a match for Superman in speed. In fact, judging by those feats, he'd have his hands full with any two of this team, let alone all three. While he certainly has impressive durability, Wolverine and Sabretooth have the perfect weapons to bypass it, and Spider-man is the ideal guy to temporarily immobilize/slow him down for them. Taking into account Wolverine's experience working as a team with both of these guys, Spider-man's ability to stay out of danger, and Wolverine and Sabretooth's ability to recover from any early mistakes, I say the team takes the majority here.

Both Logan's and Creed's claws can possibly scratch Orion, but not much more than that.

As far as Spider-Man lol.
Imagine a gnat colliding into your face.
That's the same as Spider-Man against Orion. Their difference in strength is astronomical (1000 tons vs more than billions). Spider-Man is not slowing or temporarily immobilizing Orion in a forum scenario.

Besides Spider-Man, Logan and Creed can't outpaced bullets. Orion has caught a bullet from less than 10ft away while his back was turned. That's reacting and moving in milliseconds. He would easily catch Logan's or Creeds's arm, even when his back is turned and rag doll them.

Originally posted by carver9
What speed fts does Orion have?

Catching a bullet fired from about 7 feet away while his back was turned - essentially blindfolded - is a millisecond-level reaction and perception feat.

Bump.

Originally posted by carver9
What speed fts does Orion have?

First, you contradict yourself in the Orion vs Gladiator thread by using flight speed, something you've argued doesn't count for combat(which I agree with some exceptions). Then you put a qualifier for Orion without his Astro-Glider. I went along with this to beat you at your own game, and gave you a feat that even ridiculously lowballed, still greatly surpassed your previous Gladiator.

Then, you started claiming, without evidence, that Orion lost it. And you never proved your claim. You made the claim he lost it, which would mean there waa an actual in story explanation for him losing it. You stupidly assumed because he didn't fly in other examples that it proved he lost it. All you did was make a case writers forgot it.

Then when cornered with this, you blatantly move the goalpost there, and earlier here, claim I have nothing and never address that you never proved your claim.

And why even argue flight speed to begin with if you argued before it doesn't count for combat speed? If you're arguing he'll still have the perceptions...why the f uck are you arguing even if you believe Orion lost the ability to fly without his Astro-Glider that this disqualifies the feat? It'd still count to his perceptions. In fact it would mean your requirements of without his Astro-Glider are invalid, because he'd still need the same perceptions by the standards you seem to be applying to Gladiator (only reason why you'd contradict yourself arguing speed in the first place).

And I've already shown Orion is as fast as his father, who was so much faster than Pre-DOS Superman (who's far faster than Gladiator, yes, in combat speed) that Superman didn't even see Darkseid move.

I've got something that'll just go from teasing you with the tip of the broom handle to violently sodomizing you with it. But let's see if you're man enough to acknowledge your hypocrisy and dishonesty.

Wolverine did kill Phoenix like 6 times in one story,
Basically makes him equal to TOAA at minimum.
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