Originally posted by Surtur
Anyways I just saw this article, so yeah:
So this piece of crap shouldn't even have been there.
Query: if Sweden made a law that stated anyone denied residency would be immediately deported, would people whine about it?
Bonus question: does the Swedish government have the right to withhold information from their own citizens about whether or not this attack had anything to do with Islam? I can't imagine a sane rational person who would say the answer is yes.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'd rather have people who think Jesus is going to come take them to heaven as opposed to people who think they can get to heaven by exploding themselves and a bunch of other people.
Take the case of Paul Jennings Hill. He murdered an abortion doctor (a Prolifer murding someone, now that is irony!) and showed no pity whatsoever even up until his death, even relished the idea of becoming a "martyr" for the cause. Christianity fosters "extremists" also. Maybe not quite to the same magnitude that Islam does, but still the corruption of the mind causing the inability to see reason is the same.
Same way Christians refuse to accept the fact of biological evolution. They believe so firmly that they are unable or unwilling to see reason. It's like being blind to logic. Dangerous.
“It is therefore not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York was suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud because it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen is about to happen: the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves socially, economically, environmentally, or geopolitically. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the US government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this purely on the basis of religious dogma should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency.”~ Sam Harris
Letter to a Christian Nation
Originally posted by lazybones
It's pretty pointless and ridiculous to make baseless assumptions on an impossible scenario, and then declare an 'emergency' . Lol.
It's not baseless. It's quite confirmed. Why do you assert that it's pointless? It's not pointless at all to point out the outrageous and unfounded beliefs of a large portion of the population.
Originally posted by Patient_LeechBecause Harris said so,
It's not baseless. It's quite confirmed.
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Why do you assert that it's pointless? It's not pointless at all to point out the outrageous and unfounded beliefs of a large portion of the population.Well, it's one thing to point out beliefs you find outrageous, it's another to declare an 'emergency'. Because whatever you have to say about those beliefs, you can't deny that they're totally benign. If you don't think the world will end, then you have no reason to care.
Originally posted by lazybones
Because Harris said so,k
No, because I used to be a fundamentalist Christian when I was younger and more ignorant. I grew up in the culture. I know it exists. And there are polls that confirm them to be widely held beliefs.
Originally posted by lazybones
Well, it's one thing to point out beliefs you find outrageous, it's another to declare an 'emergency'. Because whatever you have to say about those beliefs, you can't deny that they're totally benign. If you don't think the world will end, then you have no reason to care.
Not an "emergency." A "moral and intellectual emergency." Big difference. It's not benign. The evidence of which is in the fact that the mode of belief fosters murderers such as Paul Hill as I pointed out earlier. If you think it's benign then please supply some evidence for such an assertion as I have for the opposite stance.
Islam is a great problem. That's easy to see.
And so is Christianity. That's also easy to see.
They may not be equally dangerous, but still dangerous none-the-less. And the combination and clash of the two could prove worse than either one on their own.
Quick google search..
Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.That's quite different from the world at large: Fifty-two percent of the world's population is non-Christian, compared to 4 percent in the United States; and one-third is Christian, compared to 83 percent in the United States.
Another link with some charts...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/187955/percentage-christians-drifting-down-high.aspx
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Take the case of Paul Jennings Hill. He murdered an abortion doctor (a Prolifer murding someone, now that is irony!) and showed no pity whatsoever even up until his death, even relished the idea of becoming a "martyr" for the cause. Christianity fosters "extremists" also. Maybe not quite to the same magnitude that Islam does, but still the corruption of the mind causing the inability to see reason is the same.Same way Christians refuse to accept the fact of biological evolution. They believe so firmly that they are unable or unwilling to see reason. It's like being blind to logic. Dangerous.
Nobody is saying Christians never commit crimes. What is being said is it's quite silly to compare modern day Christians to Islam, when it comes to terror attacks and all around being shitty.
It might be politically correct to say all religions are equally shitty, but it's also 100% false.
It's not that we shouldn't talk about it, but until they begin murdering people at the rate Islamists do? I feel like it's silly to bring up Christians every time the utterly toxic religion that is Islam decides to blow some motherf*ckers up for their fake sky god.
Which always happens. Remember the Pulse nightclub shooting? Yeah, guess how long it took people here to bring up Christianity in a thread about that? Answer: not long. That case actually brought up double deflection possibilities. One route was the "But Christians do this" and the other route was ignoring the Islamic aspect, but focusing on the gun issues.
I dunno, seems like if a Christian murdered a bunch of folk and it seemed like he did it in the name of Christianity..seems like people wouldn't be trying to avoid discussing Christianity. This is why I made the thread about why Islam is so special, because there literally seems to be one set of rules for Islam and another set for..every other religion in existence. I don't like Christianity, but even I can see that in the USA it's far more acceptable to bash Christianity than it is Islam.
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody is saying Christians never commit crimes. What is being said is it's quite silly to compare modern day Christians to Islam, when it comes to terror attacks and all around being shitty.It might be politically correct to say all religions are equally shitty, but it's also 100% false.
I agree the differences are important.
All I'm really pointing out is that it's sort of hypocritical of the US to appose Islam so much (although we don't even frame the conflict in the proper light, which should be against Islam, instead it's against "Terror"😉 when we have our own crazy shit here at home. "Take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (so to speak)
Originally posted by Silent Master
YouTube video
Ben Affleck is an idiot.
We oppose it because some very naive people in this country want to just open up the borders for people from the middle east. Clinton wanted to bring in even more refugees.
We see these f*cks exploding themselves in Europe, running people down, all that shit and we do not want that here.
A dishonest tactic the liberals like to use is that nobody has been killed in this country by a terror attack done by anyone from the countries Trump wanted to ban. That is actually true, but do you know what is dishonest? They leave out the fact that over 70 people from those countries were arrested here whilst planning an attack. In other words: people have flat out come here from those countries intending to commit acts of terror, we luckily caught them in time.
What explanation will democrats give once that luck runs out?
Originally posted by Patient_LeechWell my main point is that those beliefs, however misinformed, don't pose some sort of imminent danger that we should care about. They are also on the decline. Most of those don't even need to be debunked since the evidence is against them. Relentlessly attacking Christians may actually serve to harden those beliefs, if anything.
No, because I used to be a fundamentalist Christian when I was younger and more ignorant. I grew up in the culture. I know it exists. And there are polls that confirm them to be widely held beliefs.
Not an "emergency." A "moral and intellectual emergency." Big difference.Well, the beliefs about the world ending imminently are no doubt illogical. But let's face it, the more illogical beliefs like that are held by a minority of Christians, and that minority is declining.
It's not benign. The evidence of which is in the fact that the mode of belief fosters murderers such as Paul Hill as I pointed out earlier.If you think it's benign then please supply some evidence for such an assertion as I have for the opposite stance.Perhaps I should have been clearer. I accept that those beliefs are not wholesale benign, but they are mostly benign. The evidence for that is simple, religiously motivated attacks by Christians seem to be very rare. That isn't to say they don't happen, though, of course.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Quick google search..Another link with some charts...
Yeah, America is more Christian than most other countries, so what? If a good chunk of them were bloodthirsty fanatics then there would be cause for concern, but that doesn't seem to be remotely the case.