Originally posted by Beniboybling
I haven't asked any questions Surt. 🙁But sure, do you think the fact that Christians are capable of being just as bad as Muslims in several capacities has brought you closer to grasping the root cause of the problem?
I think both religions are toxic, but Islam is far far worse.
Why don't you enlighten us all as to the "root" cause of this? As long as it doesn't involve whining and blaming other countries, of course.
Originally posted by SurturAmericur. Of course. 🙂
I think both religions are toxic, but Islam is far far worse.Why don't you enlighten us all as to the "root" cause of this? As long as it doesn't involve whining and blaming other countries, of course.
But no, I think the fact that Christianity and Islam overlap in many respects when it comes to extremism tells us that the problem is primarily cultural. It being telling that the Christians and Muslims in question come from the same countries.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Americur. Of course. 🙂
There are many people in your country who probably truly believe this.
But no, I think the fact that Christianity and Islam overlap in many respects when it comes to extremism tells us that the problem is primarily cultural. It being telling that the Christians and Muslims in question come from the same countries.
So it's not Islam that is toxic, but the culture of these people? But..isn't Islam sort of ingrained in their culture? And their politics? And pretty much every aspect of life?
It also needs to be pointed out that while no religion is perfect and Christianity certainly isn't..they are NOT all equally imperfect. Compare Jainism(the real religion of peace) to Islam, just to give one example. Who would you rather have spend the night in your home Beni? An Islamic extremist or an extremist who follows Jainism?
Originally posted by SurturOf a certain strain, yes. Obviously the manner in which its been adapted has been guided by their culture and conditions. FYI: those examples cited from Christianity and in-places were they are devoutly religious also. The separation of church and state being itself a cultural issue, and a good starting point.
So it's not Islam that is toxic, but the culture of these people? But..isn't Islam sort of ingrained in their culture? And their politics? And pretty much every aspect of life?
It also needs to be pointed out that while no religion is perfect and Christianity certainly isn't..they are NOT all equally imperfect.No they are not, but Christianity is also at the moment, the dominant religion of the first world (and developing countries) while Islam is predominant in third world countries. This is not a coincidence.
Compare Jainism(the real religion of peace) to Islam, just to give one example. Who would you rather have spend the night in your home Beni? An Islamic extremist or an extremist who follows Jainism?I'm struggling to see the relevance of this question. 😱
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I could just as easily counter that some New Atheist who believes that the world would be better off without religion would rise to power and kill religious people, or send any religious person to some "reeducation camp,"...
No, you can't, because that has never happened. Ever. There's no example of that.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Virtually any ideology can be taken to extremism, as proven by communism.
Even Hitler and Stalin whom are often referred to as atheists were not committing their crimes in the name of atheism. If you look at their actual ideologies they were more of a political religion even with some weird beliefs, for example that Germans were superior, that they came from space buried in ice or some shit. But regardless, Hitler was either Christian or was feigning religiosity to exploit the people.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
No, you can't, because that has never happened. Ever. There's no example of that.
Given the trend of Christianity modernizing over the past several centuries how is the notion that Christianity is suddenly going to shift gears and degenerate into a similar level of terrorism a likely or plausible notion?
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Even Hitler and Stalin whom are often referred to as atheists were not committing their crimes in the name of atheism. If you look at their actual ideologies they were more of a political religion even with some weird beliefs, for example that Germans were superior, that they came from space buried in ice or some shit. But regardless, Hitler was either Christian or was feigning religiosity to exploit the people.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well it's an unlikely but potentially possible hypothetical like the notion that Christianity after having globally progressed for centuries is suddenly going to degenerate back into the dark ages mentality.
I really don't think it's possible to commit horrible atrocities in the name of atheism. Horrible atrocities throughout history have been done because of ignorance. Witch hunts and the Inquisition are big examples, the holocaust. They were founded on false beliefs. And since atheism really is very science minded and does a great job of stamping out beliefs in things without sufficient evidence it's extremely unlikely. Sure, there's other reasons to kill or hurt people than superstitious religions, but not really on a large scale.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Given the trend of Christianity modernizing over the past several centuries how is the notion that Christianity is suddenly going to shift gears and degenerate into a similar level of terrorism a likely or plausible notion?
Christianity wouldn't be shifting gears. It's still there. There are still plenty of fundamentalists and they are even running for president. Hell, you can't run for president and hope to win unless you claim some sort of religiosity. Ben Carson, Ted Cruz. Mike Pence, our VP is a fundamentalist Christian. And Trump is probably feigning religiosity for his political gain. He doesn't strike me as particularly sincere. And he's trying to roll back all sorts of environmental protection and climate change stuff. He's an ignoramus.
Anyways I just saw this article, so yeah:
Ebba, the 11yr old girl killed by muslim truck terrorist in Sweden. Just found out she was deaf, I guess she didn't have a chance to hear it coming. Here a photo of her, since the media isn't even trying to cover her story or show images of her, cause we know it will stir up emotions in the people of Sweden to rise up against this loony government who supports Terrorist!
Originally posted by Adam GrimesWhy do you think it was solely/primarily Christianity that was the cause of the Dark Ages? I'd argue that the collapse of the Roman Empire was a far more significant factor, as that brought instability and caused much knowledge to be lost, particularly knowledge that had been collected by previous civilizations like the Ancient Greeks. In fact, the idea that Christianity triggered the Dark Ages is pretty baseless. You can definitely argue that the rigidity of Church did, at times, hinder progress, but there were still many scientists and philosophers who were active during the Medieval times who were also deeply Christian. And regardless, I don't think it's very fair to blame modern day Christians for the action of the Catholic Church centuries ago (a Church which a good number of Christians don't actually recognize as legitimate today).
Not if you own up to all the dark ages our ancestors went through because of Christianity.
I would refer you to the post on Quora entitled "Did Christianity cause the Dark Ages?" . There's a good explanation there by a graduate in Medieval Literature.