Maxima vs Jane Thor

Superman has been knocked around before and, once he braced for it, has tanked the attacks. Perhaps you should read some more Superman comics.

Superman didn't tank Maxima's mind warping powers in the Day of the Krypton Man story arc. You find out that the Eradicator was reforming Clark's mind into a cold Kryptonian matrix as the story goes on.

Superman's behavior grows more and more cold, calculating, and dickish as the story goes on. For example, he almost misses Lana Lang's birthday, and doesn't reciprocate any of her warmth when she is excited to see him finally show up. Instead, Lana Lang remarks that she feels like an icky girl in the third grade after he makes her hobble across the living room floor in a cast and kiss him to no effect.

Maxima recognized this change to Superman's demeanor during their encounter. She sensed that there was a presence in Superman's mind overriding her mental powers that allowed him to resist her. To put an even finer point on it, her narrating even mentions how the fire that was once lurking in him had been *eradicated* and how she won't be able to find a mate in so cold a knave anymore.

You don't seem to know what we're discussing.

We all know [since we've read the story] that Eradicator was in Superman's mind. But that doesn't change the physical tanking of Maxima's TK. Eradicator didn't change Superman's durability.

You don't seem to know what we're discussing.

Actually, you're the one building a strawman in this thread when you asked "How much do you want to bet that you can't prove that Superman's durability was amped when he took her?" This is total sophistry on your part.

Maxima wins.

She is one of(if not *the*) most powerful herald-level female characters around. The total package. 👆

Originally posted by Arabus
Actually, you're the one building a strawman in this thread when you asked "How much do you want to bet that you can't prove that Superman's durability was amped when he took her?" This is total sophistry on your part.

Go sit in the corner.

It's ironic that you quote a part saying that you don't know what you're talking about, and then go on, again, to do just so. Go sit in the corner.

It's ironic that someone who has the handle 'Philosophia' doesn't comprehend that their response is not an argument.

What is your argument? That Superman was somehow amped by Eradicator?

Originally posted by Arabus
It's ironic that someone who has the handle 'Philosophia' doesn't comprehend that their response is not an argument.

Like I said, go back in the corner until you can contribute with something.

There's a contingent in here acknowledging that there was a presence in Superman protecting him from Maxima's powers. What's the solution around this apparently? When Maxima finally lashes out, in reality it's the antithesis of what Superman calls a senseless reaction. That's because she's deliberately filtering out all other power frequencies in her blasts except for telekinesis.

Superman may dare Maxima to unleash all of her power on him, but nah, dishing out finely tuned beams for Superman's durability to handle no problem is just the paradox that Maxima enjoys. The threshold of Maxima making a statement that she's refraining from dealing Orion-punking damage doesn't exist, but also, the coinciding Eradicator costume reveal is surprisingly like Swiss cheese.

Eradicator was a presence in Superman's mind, helping him against the telepathic/illusion attack.

Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.

Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:

a). Don't be a moron
b). Read what the other people are discussing
c). Be on point

You're not yet past a).

Originally posted by Arabus
There's a contingent in here acknowledging that there was a presence in Superman protecting him from Maxima's powers. What's the solution around this apparently? When Maxima finally lashes out, in reality it's the antithesis of what Superman calls a senseless reaction. That's because she's deliberately filtering out all other power frequencies in her blasts except for telekinesis.

Superman may dare Maxima to unleash all of her power on him, but nah, dishing out finely tuned beams for Superman's durability to handle no problem is just the paradox that Maxima enjoys. The threshold of Maxima making a statement that she's refraining from dealing Orion-punking damage doesn't exist, but also, the coinciding Eradicator costume reveal is surprisingly like Swiss cheese.

Burying the lead here.

Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.

Nu Maxima? Did her feats transfer

Originally posted by cdtm
Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Burying the lead here.

Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.

But by feats no.

Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.

DID knock him out in Death of the New Gods and that Classified story (The one everyone uses)

Held his own in h2h in same.

Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.

For starters.

Asked a simple question yet everyone is busy flexing their e-nuts 😑

Originally posted by cdtm
Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.

1). Byrne-era Superman. The weakest Superman in 70 years.
2). Orion needed Lightray's help to recover from Superman's attack:
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/BSupermanvsOrion2.jpg.html
3). That was a brainwashed Superman, whose power is explicitly dependent on his mind.
4). He didn't even know what powers he had, thinking himself the son of Darkseid, and resorted to bullrushing Orion. His heat vision actually can match the Astro-Force:
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/hvastroforce.jpg.html
5). Superman wasn't knocked out, only dazed, and literally in the next panel threw a pilar into Orion, knocking him down.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/BSupermanvsOrion4.jpg

Good job showing that a brainwashed, underpowered, unaware Superman can match Orion.

Originally posted by cdtm
DID knock him out in that Classified story (The one everyone uses)

Again with a young, inexperienced Superman? The same Superman who shitstomped Mantis, in that same arc:
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis2.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis3.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis4.jpg.html

While Orion had to be saved from him?

http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p16.jpg.html
http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p17.jpg.html
http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p18.jpg.html

And who only won by going absolutely berserk?

Originally posted by cdtm
DID knock him out in DOTNG?

Originally posted by cdtm
Held his own in h2h in same.

Originally posted by cdtm
Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.

Superman has outperformed him:
-> against Kalibak [who is explicitly Orion's physical equal], while Superman rofloverpowers him.
-> against Darkseid, multiple times. (http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/FightsOmegaBeams.jpg.html)
-> against DD Wars Doomsday [even with J'onn he couldn't fight DD Wars for more than a few moments]
-> against Infinite Man
-> against White Martian [poor Orion needed to get himself on fire, even with backup, to get the advantage]
-> Against Mantis
etc.

Orion, who gets bloodied and humiliated by goddamn Hyppolita?
http://i.imgur.com/Incawel.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nu Maxima? Did her feats transfer

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Asked a simple question yet everyone is busy flexing their e-nuts 😑

Orion is consistently written in the same ballpark as Superman, but he's nearly always portrayed below him to varying degrees.

Originally posted by Galan007
Orion is consistently written in the same ballpark as Superman, but he's nearly always portrayed below him to varying degrees.

I'd put him somewhere between Diana and Superman.

The showing referenced in this thread [King of the World] is better suited to show Orion > rest of the Justice League [given he was portrayed as their big gun, with Diana/J'onn/Kyle there], instead of trying to make an imaginary Orion > Superman.