Originally posted by Galan007👆
Same.If Dianna were an 8, and Superman were a 10, I'd put Orion at like a 9 on average. He's strong enough to give Superman a damn good fight, but will still lose to him almost every time.
Anyway, Maxima wins.
I don't think it even needs to get physical, since Jane has nothing to counter this:
Orion:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy25.jpg
Captain Marvel:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_psibolt10.jpg
Diana:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy31.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy32.jpg
Originally posted by cdtm
Burying the lead here.Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.
Originally posted by cdtm
Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.DID knock him out in Death of the New Gods and that Classified story (The one everyone uses)
Held his own in h2h in same.
Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.
For starters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Brainiac owns Orion, Lightray and pretty much whole New Genesis with TK.Then he merges with a portion of his power which was used to create a mental creation of Superman's exact double (it was tested to be superman's equal repeatedly and even went toe to toe with superman) to be even more powerful
Originally posted by Philosophía
Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.
Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.
Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.
Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.
Circular reasoning.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:
Appeal to false authority.
Originally posted by Philosophía
a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).
not an argument X 4
Originally posted by Arabus
[quote=Philosophía] Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.
Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.
Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.
Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.
Circular reasoning.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:
Appeal to false authority.
Originally posted by Philosophía
a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).
not an argument X 4 [/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.
Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.
Originally posted by Phil👆
Anyway, Maxima wins.I don't think it even needs to get physical, since Jane has nothing to counter this:
Orion:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy25.jpgCaptain Marvel:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...a_psibolt10.jpgDiana:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy31.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy32.jpg
Aside from that, most [ignorant] people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well:
Originally posted by Galan007
A weakened Maxima uses TK to close one of the massive fissures created by Starbreaker, which nearly destroyed Almerac:*Confirmation that she closed/sealed the fissure alone:
http://i.imgur.com/3ZLItjd.jpgAnd as I said: Maxima was very weak at the time, as she had just been attacked by Starbreaker the issue prior:
http://i.imgur.com/jK4FQk5.jpgTo give you a sense of scale, here is how large the fissure(s) were:
Had she not been "exhausted" at the time, even a feat of that magnitude would have been child's play... Max was crazy-powerful. 🙂
Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.
Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.
Circular reasoning.
Damn, you really are a mongoloid who can't follow the discussion.
Oh well.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Aside from that, most [ignorant] people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well:
👆
She's one of the most well rounded top tiers in comics. Impressive physically, telekinetically and telepathically.
Originally posted by Galan007
Same.If Dianna were an 8, and Superman were a 10, I'd put Orion at like a 9 on average. He's strong enough to give Superman a damn good fight, but will still lose to him almost every time.
I don't believe Superman's ever beaten Orion, though. But he has lost to him a few times.
Which makes sense, considering he'a destined to kill Darkseid, who has a much better record of trashing Superman then not (Cue the Apokolips Now and Supermam/Batman examples, which represent two poorly written blips in Darkseid's extensive history of dominance, dating all the way back to the Byrne/Jurgens era..)
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.
Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.
Circular reasoning.
[quote=Philosophía]Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:
Appeal to false authority.
Originally posted by Philosophía
a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).
not an argument X 4 [/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.
Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Repeating the premise in your conclusion as if you had provided support for your assertion is textbook circular reasoning.
The Action Comics 651 page with the costume changing was used as evidence to back up the claim that Superman walked through Maxima's TK casually without the Eradicator's help. In fact, nowhere on that page, or in that comic does it say anything about Maxima blasting Superman with TK.
Telekinesis is just one aspect of her psionic powers that allows her to fly, manipulate matter, or generate force fields, but it's not all of her power. She's not Vance Astrovik. She's a telepath that can cast illusions, control people's minds, hypnotize you with a look, fight on the astral plane, or scramble your brain with mind bolts until you're a vegetable. None of these other power features that emanate out of Maxima's head have anything to with physical force. Orion, Hank King, Wonder Woman, and Brainiac can all attest to this.
Enter the Eradicator. Maxima, in character, tried to use her illusions to persuade Superman, but the overriding presence in his mind warped her projections. She was turned off by the fact that the fire she has seen in him before had been eradicated, so she knocked him off his feet and down onto his back with an optic blast. He gets up. She blasts him a second time off his feet, sending him sailing through the room. He stops himself from being knocked back by grabbing two pillars. He says he has to take her in for breaking the law, and she says, "The DIE!" That's when the costume change happens, and he dares her, 'unleash all your telekinesis opon me -- I am prepared for it'. Oh wait. He said all your power.
Originally posted by cdtm
I don't believe Superman's ever beaten Orion, though. But he has lost to him a few times.
Superman already defeated Orion in MM v2 9 even after Orion cheapshotted him.http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Martian-Manhunter-1998/Issue-9?id=29326
Orion cheapshotted Superman and they engage in a fight. Later Superman is the only one to emerge from the fight and says that they are not able to follow J'onn and Malefic because teleport systems were destroyed by Malefic. Much Later Orion opened a boom tube to rescue J'onn.
That only means Orion was taking a nap in between.
Orion can't beat Superman when he is bloodlusted and cheapshotted Superman who proceeds to beat the shit out of him.
Which makes sense, considering he'a destined to kill Darkseid, who has a much better record of trashing Superman then not (Cue the Apokolips Now and Supermam/Batman examples, which represent two poorly written blips in Darkseid's extensive history of dominance, dating all the way back to the Byrne/Jurgens era..)
Darkseid has Wrecked Orion like nothing (Firestorm 15, Foundations, New Gods 7) while Superman beats the ****ing shit out of Darkseid (Apokolips Now, Superman/Batman 13, Superman/Batman 42, Countdown 4) or straight up walks through his omega beams which Orion can only dream about (Adventures of Superman 595).
Orion is lucky Superman holds back against him as he himself noted in Day of Judgement.
But keep tooting your own horn without showing anything.
Originally posted by Arabus
Appeal to false authority.[quote=Philosophía]a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).
not an argument X 4 [/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.
Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Repeating the premise in your conclusion as if you had provided support for your assertion is textbook circular reasoning.
The Action Comics 651 page with the costume changing was used as evidence to back up the claim that Superman walked through Maxima's TK casually without the Eradicator's help. In fact, nowhere on that page, or in that comic does it say anything about Maxima blasting Superman with TK.
Telekinesis is just one aspect of her psionic powers that allows her to fly, manipulate matter, or generate force fields, but it's not all of her power. She's not Vance Astrovik. She's a telepath that can cast illusions, control people's minds, hypnotize you with a look, fight on the astral plane, or scramble your brain with mind bolts until you're a vegetable. None of these other power features that emanate out of Maxima's head have anything to with physical force. Orion, Hank King, Wonder Woman, and Brainiac can all attest to this.
Enter the Eradicator. Maxima, in character, tried to use her illusions to persuade Superman, but the overriding presence in his mind warped her projections. She was turned off by the fact that the fire she has seen in him before had been eradicated, so she knocked him off his feet and down onto his back with an optic blast. He gets up. She blasts him a second time off his feet, sending him sailing through the room. He stops himself from being knocked back by grabbing two pillars. He says he has to take her in for breaking the law, and she says, "The DIE!" That's when the costume change happens, and he dares her, 'unleash all your telekinesis opon me -- I am prepared for it'. Oh wait. He said all your power. [/B][/QUOTE]
Soooooo, Maxima wasn't using his power to the fullest while screaming "DIE"?
And what was she blasting Superman with? Water?
Humor me.
