Jack Hawksmoor vs. Geo-Force vs. Magneto

Fight in Dubai

Who wins?

Magneto should have the advantage, though I ignore the feats of the most recent incarnations of the others.

Hawksmoor should have this.
Magneto isnt manipulating anything IN the city on a level to compete with manipulating the city itself.

Kinda what Riv said. The reason Hawksmoor tops out in tiers is because there are eventually characters who can just vaporize the majority (or all) of city he's using, effectively crippling his power ceiling. So while I actually think there are plenty of feats that Magneto has that Jack couldn't replicate, he's honestly a low-level reality warper in cities and Mags doesn't have that level of destructive power while the entire city is fighting back against him.

It's what makes him an interesting vs. forum guy. Put him in a lazy beach town and street levelers destroy him. But throw him on Cybertron or Coruscant (which many have) and while we don't technically have in-comic analogs of him in cities of that size, it's a reasonable inference to put him well into Trans.

Hmm, my gut instinct was that Hawksmoor wouldn't have better control of the city materials than Mags, and that Geoforce was well suited to do major city damage.

Good fight.

He's got one of the most unique power sets i've ever run across, and like you said, he can work at so many power levels.
I'm surprised he's never gotten an ongoing, honestly.

Originally posted by Smurph
Hmm, my gut instinct was that Hawksmoor wouldn't have better control of the city materials than Mags, and that Geoforce was well suited to do major city damage.

Good fight.

It's definitely possible they could do enough collateral damage to pull Hawksmoor well below them. I'm not 100% sure how big Dubai actually is, tbh.

I do think his control trumps Mags, though, as crazy as that is to say. Jack's city control exists on a nigh-conceptual level as it's depicted by most writers.

I'm not sure about Wildstotm Jack, but DCnU Jack actually spoke to the spirit of the cities, thus giving him a potentially better control over that environment.

Oh its not potential, its definite.
Magneto isnt out city-ing Hawksmoor, thats a pipe dream.

Originally posted by Zack M
I'm not sure about Wildstotm Jack, but DCnU Jack actually spoke to the spirit of the cities, thus giving him a potentially better control over that environment.

Basically the same as WS, then. His connection was always more like a relationship than a "power manipulation."

Team. Magneto should be able to pummel the city enough with GF assist to weaken and overwhelm Jack.

Jack can function well in cities that have been trashed.

He was teleported into a city when a nuke was set off. Returns unscathed.

Still haven't seen what exactly Jack can do to effect Magneto. Has he faced a character at Mags level before? Yea Jack has a weird niche in powers but imo the mutant outclassed him

Originally posted by Digi
I do think his control trumps Mags, though, as crazy as that is to say. Jack's city control exists on a nigh-conceptual level as it's depicted by most writers.

Originally posted by Zack M
I'm not sure about Wildstotm Jack, but DCnU Jack actually spoke to the spirit of the cities, thus giving him a potentially better control over that environment.

Originally posted by riv6672
Oh its not potential, its definite.
Magneto isnt out city-ing Hawksmoor, thats a pipe dream.

Jack definitely has a greater scope of weird shit that he can do in cities, and maybe he can accomplish all of those things with greater ease than Magneto. But there's no way he has a more precise control of many of the parts of the city, including the metal in the environment, and I'm sure he'd lose a feat contest here.

Even if we put Jack's abilities in the category of god-like reality warping, that still can't be an absolute trump card. See: Magneto out-manipulating Proteus' own electrons.

http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/MagnetovsProteus7.jpg.html
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/MagnetovsProteus8.jpg.html
http://s593.photobucket.com/user/Max_Eisenhardt/media/MagnetovsProteus9.jpg.html

Proteus is considerably more god-like. Talking to the spirits of cities has cool implications, but just like Riv can't see Magneto "out city-ing" Hawksmoor, I can't see Jack "out metal-ing" Erik.

He wouldnt need to out metal him, but thats my take on it.
Plus, he's no stranger to metal.

Or gravity manip.

And thanks for the scans, Smurph! 👆

Bisbee, Arizona, comparable to Dubai in square mileage.

Like i said, Magneto isnt manipulating anything IN the city on a level to compete with manipulating the city itself, its gravity, its make up, animating it; Hawksmoor's on different level. A higher level.

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