Jack Hawksmoor vs. Geo-Force vs. Magneto

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I meant, that the gravitational field within Dubai can be messed with - whilst not Jack, it is Dubai's to affect.

Same with the EM field. As seen with Tokyo.

If the city suddenly cuts the EM field off - even if Mags draws power from Jupiter or wherever - it won't be getting into the city.

Because for all intents and purposes, the concept of 'magnetism', just like the concept of 'gravity', is fast and loose when Jack asks the city. Boost it by 5000%? Sure, why not. REDUCE it by 5000%? Cool.

So it's not Jack's control of the city's EM field that Mags is fighting against. It's the city controlling its own EM field. It can remove it, just like it can remove gravity.

that's the thing, i don't know that it could, or even if it could that it would matter. mags' reach far exceeds the city limits and he has already shown planetary levels of control. could a city prevent him from accessing his power? like i said, i guess it isn't impossible, but it seems unlikely to me. more to the point--if the city could adjust its own em field so easily, why did it need to employ amps to do it? it should have simply been able to amp it without external sources since, as you say, it is 'its' em field after all....

Originally posted by leonidas
gravity is going to trump magneto? i'm not even sure what that means.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I meant, that the gravitational field within Dubai can be messed with - whilst not Jack, it is Dubai's to affect.

Same with the EM field. As seen with Tokyo.

If the city suddenly cuts the EM field off - even if Mags draws power from Jupiter or wherever - it won't be getting into the city.

Because for all intents and purposes, the concept of 'magnetism', just like the concept of 'gravity', is fast and loose when Jack asks the city. Boost it by 5000%? Sure, why not. REDUCE it by 5000%? Cool.

So it's not Jack's control of the city's EM field that Mags is fighting against. It's the city controlling its own EM field. It can remove it, just like it can remove gravity.

but...that doesn't explain your comment referencing gravity being able to trump mags's powers... 😕

i guess if you believe jack can simply turn off magneto's powers, then there really isn't much of a discussion to be had. i assume geo-force's powers would be equally useless then? what about someone like animal man? jack should be able to have the city shut off access to the red since the red is also part of the city? i'd think that would translate into his being able to prevent a telepath from affecting him as well? graviton would have his powers negated? storm too certainly? he should definitely be able to prevent any doors from being opened in a city. has he at least shown that type of power? what if someone tried opening a wormhole, or a black hole? the city would stop it from happening?

and all that because the city used amplifiers to amp an em field, and because he showed a limited ability to have a city warp its gravity? without a lot further support (if it's out there i'd love to see it) it's a pretty slippery slope to make the type of assumption that is being made here. without a lot more proof i'm afraid we'll agree to disagree on this one.

[quote]but...that doesn't explain your comment referencing gravity being able to trump mags's powers... 😕
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Thats fine, i saw you didnt agree with DS' statement anyway, but its what i'd meant. 👆

Good fight

I see Jack winning as well