Gettin' us to the 2nd page. Thumbnails, Riv, thumbnails.
I guess I fall somewhere in between Riv and Smurph on the control question. Magneto has some haxx control feats, not even including the one Smurph referenced. I didn't side with Jack lightly, and I do think it's reasonable to take either side. But even if we allow some kind of stalemate on metallic elements, Jack has a lot left over.
Originally posted by riv6672
Bisbee, Arizona, comparable to Dubai in square mileage.Like i said, Magneto isnt manipulating anything IN the city on a level to compete with manipulating the city itself, its gravity, its make up, animating it; Hawksmoor's on different level. A higher level.
Moreover, Bisbee has a population of 5,575, Dubai has a population of the order of 2.8 million.
Population is a direct correlation to his power:
^^^which is why i said comparable in square mileage, not population (as a dedicated scan poster yourself, i know you realize examples, between characters from different companies, often even the same company, are rarely if ever spot on 100% exact correlations) .
If you can find a scan of him animating a city with the ecact population as well as exact square mileage, of Dubai, or even Dubai itself, please share! 😛
Otherwise, my point stands; looking at what he can do with/in a city, his manipulation of fundamental forces, what he can survive, his physical stats, i dont see Magneto operating on Jack's scale.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^which is why i said comparable in square mileage, not population (as a dedicated scan poster yourself, i know you realize examples, between characters from different companies, often even the same company, are rarely if ever spot on 100% exact correlations) .If you can find a scan of him animating a city with the ecact population as well as exact square mileage, of Dubai, or even Dubai itself, please share! 😛
Otherwise, my point stands; looking at what he can do with/in a city, his manipulation of fundamental forces, what he can survive, his physical stats, i dont see Magneto operating on Jack's scale.
Agreed - was just saying that as his powers increase by population/population density, your scans, as powerful as they show Jack, means that here he would be even MORE powerful, due to the population density of Dubai.
still not sure how jack would even hurt mags if mags focused on his shields. i'd def say he could control metal in the city jack controls. i've never seen anyone usurp his control of metal. i mean he's even repelled mjolnir. not sure what good it would do mags to control the metal in parts of the city, and jack would have easy defenses, but i see him being able to. jack remains a person though, so what reason is there to think mags simply couldn't kill jack himself, or control the metal in his blood?
geo-force is the weakest of the group i think, unless he's done something recently. he'd go down first among them.
Originally posted by leonidas
still not sure how jack would even hurt mags if mags focused on his shields. i'd def say he could control metal in the city jack controls. i've never seen anyone usurp his control of metal. i mean he's even repelled mjolnir. not sure what good it would do mags to control the metal in parts of the city, and jack would have easy defenses, but i see him being able to. jack remains a person though, so what reason is there to think mags simply couldn't kill jack himself, or control the metal in his blood?geo-force is the weakest of the group i think, unless he's done something recently. he'd go down first among them.
He'd likely have to remove Jack from the city, where his healing is nigh instantaneous from even massive damage.
The shields problem occurred to me as well, though. A stalemate isn't inconceivable.
Originally posted by leonidas
still not sure how jack would even hurt mags if mags focused on his shields. i'd def say he could control metal in the city jack controls. i've never seen anyone usurp his control of metal. i mean he's even repelled mjolnir. not sure what good it would do mags to control the metal in parts of the city, and jack would have easy defenses, but i see him being able to. jack remains a person though, so what reason is there to think mags simply couldn't kill jack himself, or control the metal in his blood?geo-force is the weakest of the group i think, unless he's done something recently. he'd go down first among them.
nice take. I thought Geo Force would be more of a factor though
Originally posted by leonidas
still not sure how jack would even hurt mags if mags focused on his shields. i'd def say he could control metal in the city jack controls. i've never seen anyone usurp his control of metal. i mean he's even repelled mjolnir. not sure what good it would do mags to control the metal in parts of the city, and jack would have easy defenses, but i see him being able to. jack remains a person though, so what reason is there to think mags simply couldn't kill jack himself, or control the metal in his blood?geo-force is the weakest of the group i think, unless he's done something recently. he'd go down first among them.
Or Hawksmoor just telling the city to turn the magnetic fields off.
Here, Tokyo boosts it 5000% for Jack (so the notion of fields being boosted/weakened isn't unheard of):
And here he is playing with the gravitational fields.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or Hawksmoor just telling the city to turn the magnetic fields off.Here, Tokyo boosts it 5000% for Jack (so the notion of fields being boosted/weakened isn't unheard of):
And here he is playing with the gravitational fields.
meh, i dunno. even if he could shut off the fields in the city (which is a bit of a stretch from the scan), mags draws power from the EARTH's magnetic field, as opposed to something localized like a city or the fields it generates, i mean he himself can generate massive emp's that wipe out em radiation. all that said, i don't really see jack being able to shut off mag's power--unless jack is able to somehow separate, or annex his city from the earth-proper in some way. afaik he's never done anything like that.
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, i dunno. even if he could shut off the fields in the city (which is a bit of a stretch from the scan), mags draws power from the EARTH's magnetic field, as opposed to something localized like a city or the fields it generates, i mean he himself can generate massive emp's that wipe out em radiation. all that said, i don't really see jack being able to shut off mag's power--unless jack is able to somehow separate, or annex his city from the earth-proper in some way. afaik he's never done anything like that.
Except I showed him messing with the gravitational fields - which are ALSO due to the Earth etc.
that's totally different. he's not actively keeping someone else from controlling gravity or attempting to usurp control from someone. you think he could keep graviton from affecting gravity in a city? i'd say not a chance, but who knows i guess. that em scan was even further removed from relevance though. he had the city use an external source to amp the em field that still existed withIN the city. there's nothing in the city to completely eliminate the em field. and even if, for whatever reason, it could, i don't see why that would hinder magneto at all. he doesn't draw from the city's em field, but rather the earth's--and even beyond. like i said, jack would have to be able to completely cut the city off from...the earth itself, essentially. i dunno. maybe he could, but i've never seen him do anything remotely close to that. for example, how could jack prevent magneto from drawing iron from the mantle, perhaps even in the form of a volcano or at least a lava flow that would severely damage the city? we've seen his power operate on a global scale when he manipulated the earth's entire field. even weakened his shields have withstood nukes. i mean, in his battle with ironman he was even able to draw power from other planets including the sun. not sure how jack prevents that from happening....magneto just operates at a depth of power beyond what jack has shown imo.
no one to my knowledge has ever over-ridden magneto's control of the em force, not even proteus. i don't see jack being able to do it either. if he can't i don't see how jack would win this. /shrug
oh, and if we add in geo-force, i really think jack would be eff'd but i don't see geo-force having much success against mags either.
Originally posted by leonidas
gravity is going to trump magneto? i'm not even sure what that means. where has jack shown sufficient control of gravity to...do anything to magneto? the same mag's whose shields have withstood blasts from phoenix, among others.... how exactly will gravity let jack win, exactly?
I meant, that the gravitational field within Dubai can be messed with - whilst not Jack, it is Dubai's to affect.
Same with the EM field. As seen with Tokyo.
If the city suddenly cuts the EM field off - even if Mags draws power from Jupiter or wherever - it won't be getting into the city.
Because for all intents and purposes, the concept of 'magnetism', just like the concept of 'gravity', is fast and loose when Jack asks the city. Boost it by 5000%? Sure, why not. REDUCE it by 5000%? Cool.
So it's not Jack's control of the city's EM field that Mags is fighting against. It's the city controlling its own EM field. It can remove it, just like it can remove gravity.
