Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I enjoy watching the Flash, but their science/physics talk is cringe-y as f*** most of the time.It's best to just go by feats instead. And current Barry is supposedly faster than Zoom was when the latter did this. Snapped all their necks and got back to his starting position before the first body could even start dropping:
But that's talking Flash/Zoom. Not SG.
Yep, and yet at other times Jay/Zoom says he could run at "nearly the speed of light" and nobody bats an eye.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Why do you guys still argue with h1 for pages? He never produces any of the feats that he claims in any of the threads he's in. He always argues the losing side on top of that. I don't get why you put in the energy.
The key feat. The flash feats. They are the basis of my very argument.
She casually lifted a million tons. She can easily ko Zod in one shot if she wanted to.
She was fast enough to reach higher than the speed of sound instantly.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Show a clip of her fighting faster than Zod can react while simultaneously hitting with millions of tons of force.
I don't need to.
She lifted a million ton key casually. Thus she has the capability of one shotting Zod.
She also instantly reaching faster than sound speeds. She is plenty capable of hitting Zod.
Most importantly, a million tons was exerted on her skin in the size of a key. This means that she can resist pressure above a million tons per square inch. Zod won't be able to damage her at all with punches and physical strikes.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Translation: she has never fought in the manner you are saying. In fact, you were just making things up because you want her to win.
That key feat wank is getting ridiculous. Now it's being used for durability as well. I have actually been catching up on S2 of Supergirl (watched the first 15 episodes of S2 due to extreme boredom over the weekend), and there are several occasions where punches nowhere close to a million tons of force, or even close to the punches Zod was hitting Superman with for that matter, were having plenty of effect on her. She also doesn't use superspeed like he suggests. She does use it every now and then, but more like the MoS Kryptonians, where she releases a burst of speed to get to someone, but then proceeds to attack them at closer to human level speeds. And a lot of the time she does not use those bursts at all.
So, even after I disproved his claim that everyone does what he is doing, he is still insisting on dismissing probably 95% of her showings in favour of a few cherry-picked high ends to argue for her, even when the rest of her showings blatantly contradict his argument.
And the sad thing is I can almost guarantee that he will flip flop his stance once again should someone else try to use these same tactics against a character he is in favour of.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's ok. You don't need to justify watching the show lolI'm not up to date but it's actually a fun show.
Well, I really did have nothing else to do. Was keeping an eye on a friend's place while he was away, so decided to give it a go and got through most of it.
It's not a bad show in general, but the vfx makes me cringe sometimes. Some of it looks like it came out of the 90s. 😆
Originally posted by h1a8
The key feat. The flash feats. They are the basis of my very argument.
She casually lifted a million tons. She can easily ko Zod in one shot if she wanted to.
She was fast enough to reach higher than the speed of sound instantly.
Yes, you cherry picked 2 of her feats and chose to ignore 99% of her other feats. Then you tried to apply your 2 feats to fields they don't even apply to.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Why do you guys still argue with h1 for pages? He never produces any of the feats that he claims in any of the threads he's in. He always argues the losing side on top of that. I don't get why you put in the energy.
The same reason people will slow down their cars and stare at the aftermath of a car accident.
Originally posted by FrothByteShe will fight at her best ability. Lifting a million tons casually automatically means that she can punch with more force.
Yes, you cherry picked 2 of her feats and chose to ignore 99% of her other feats. Then you tried to apply your 2 feats to fields they don't even apply to.
Only an idiot would believe that a person can't punch with a force they can CASUALLY LIFT.
Originally posted by h1a8
She will fight at her best ability. Lifting a million tons casually automatically means that she can punch with more force.Only an idiot would believe that a person can't punch with a force they can CASUALLY LIFT.
Only an idiot would ignore all one's actual fighting feats even though we're talking about a fight.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Only an idiot would ignore all one's actual fighting feats even though we're talking about a fight.
He's essentially saying that he knows better than the actual show writers just what fighting to the best of her ability means, seeing as his arguments require her to fight beyond the level of ability and prowess shown on the show.
Funny thing is he was also arguing that the writers chose to write her "without" superspeed during her other fights, for the sake of plot. Which is also not really true. As I mentioned, they do add it to a few fights, but not even close to the degree he is suggesting. She uses it in small bursts to move around, but nowhere near the point where opponents are "frozen" from her perspective and she can easily one-shot blitz people while dodging their blows. She still gets tagged plenty by non-speedsters during the fights she is shown to use that ability. Which means that despite being shown to have superspeed in those fights, she is either unwilling (CIS, which is active unless stated otherwise) or incapable of using it in a manner H1 is claiming she will.
Also, watching the season 2 of the show (at least up until episode 16 so far), the key lift is a MASSIVE outlier. Nothing else comes close. Every other comparable feat, in terms of mass moved, she has to use both her arms (or her whole body), often with the aid of flight, and she is always shown straining to some degree.
^ Perhaps the key wasn't actually a million tons. I mean how do we know it was actually a million tons? Because Jimmy thought it was?
If we don't take Cap's pushing bulldozer far faster than Deathlok feat, then I don't get why we should take it at face value that key was a million tons, especially when it's such an outlier.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Perhaps the key wasn't actually a million tons. I mean how do we know it was actually a million tons? Because Jimmy thought it was?If we don't take Cap's pushing bulldozer far faster than Deathlok feat, then I don't get why we should take it at face value that key was a million tons, especially when it's such an outlier.
A million ton key would have dug deep into the dirt. Like way way down.
Originally posted by h1a8
She will fight at her best ability. Lifting a million tons casually automatically means that she can punch with more force.Only an idiot would believe that a person can't punch with a force they can CASUALLY LIFT.
She fights to her best ability while remaining in character. therefore if you want to claim she will hit with millions of tons of force. you actually have to show her doing so in fights.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
lol that was the first thing I pointed out about the feat. But someone said "Fortress of Solitude" ground. So.... Who knows. It's not a fact though coming from Jimmy, that's for sure.
Well, to give some perspective, the entirety of the Golden Gate Bridge (the whole thing) weighs 887,000 tons. So, that's not even a million tons there.