It is an outlier. Supergirl is pretty damn strong. But her other big strength feats, like stopping that ship in episode 15 (I think) of season 2 required her to strain to the point of screaming and almost giving up, and she needed to push with all her strength and flight propulsion to do it. And it is more consistent with her other higher end strength feats, like when she and Clark worked together to hold up that skyscraper, or the Fort Rozz lifting feat. The key feat is just way out there in comparison. But, in terms of strength, those other feats I mentioned would still put her above the vast majority of movie/tv characters.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It is an outlier. Supergirl is pretty damn strong. But her other big strength feats, like stopping that ship in episode 15 (I think) of season 2 required her to strain to the point of screaming and almost giving up, and she needed to push with all her strength and flight propulsion to do it. And it is more consistent with her other higher end strength feats, like when she and Clark worked together to hold up that skyscraper, or the Fort Rozz lifting feat. The key feat is just way out there in comparison. But, in terms of strength, those other feats I mentioned would still put her above the vast majority of movie/tv characters.
So what is your opinion of her being able to lift the million ton key in a forum fight if the op state that is lying on the battlefield for use?
In other words, would she be able to lift the key if it was on the battlefield of a forum fight?
I question whether it is really even a million tons (seeing that the only evidence supporting that claim is a comment from Jimmy), considering how it compares to the other feats I mentioned, and the difficulty with which she achieved them. Or another example, even though CW Zoom claimed that he can move at near light speed, I am not going to claim he will move at light speed in a forum fight, or that he was moving at near light speed on the show, when all his actual notable feats contradict that notion. Or just like I would question the whole bulldozer feat for Cap, seeing as it contradicts his other strength showings, and all we have to support the claim that he achieved that feat is a piece of dialogue.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I question whether it is really even a million tons (seeing that the only evidence supporting that claim is a comment from Jimmy), considering how it compares to the other feats I mentioned, and the difficulty with which she achieved them. Or another example, even though CW Zoom claimed that he can move at near light speed, I am not going to claim he will move at light speed in a forum fight, or that he was moving at near light speed on the show, when all his actual notable feats contradict that notion. Or just like I would question the whole bulldozer feat for Cap, seeing as it contradicts his other strength showings, and all we have to support the claim that he achieved that feat is a piece of dialogue.
It's impossible to question as it is writer's intentions.
If Jimmy were lying or misinformed then the writer would have portrayed it. Anything else is called making stuff up.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's impossible to question as it is writer's intentions.
If Jimmy were lying or misinformed then the writer would have portrayed it. Anything else is called making stuff up.
Not at all. Because I can say it was the writer's intent for her to show strain with lesser strength feats on a more consistent basis.
But hey, if that's your argument, then people are free to use Cap's bulldozer feat for strength, or argue that Zoom moves at near light speed, regardless of how it contradicts their other showings.
^ Yeah plus there's instances like AOTC where Anakin states that Obi-Wan is as powerful as Master Windu and as wise as Master Yoda, even though he clearly wasn't either of those things as of AOTC. So we can't just judge writers intentions like that.
In the recent Rebels episode Kenobi calls Luke The "Actual" Chosen One. So you could wrongly assume that's writer's intention as well, except the supervising director in an interview later confirms that's just what Obi-Wan thinks at that point in time.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yeah plus there's instances like AOTC where Anakin states that Obi-Wan is as powerful as Master Windu and as wise as Master Yoda, even though he clearly wasn't either of those things as of AOTC. So we can't just judge writers intentions like that.In the recent Rebels episode Kenobi calls Luke The "Actual" Chosen One. So you could wrongly assume that's writer's intention as well, except the supervising director in an interview later confirms that's just what Obi-Wan thinks at that point in time.
Yeah, hyperbole is used in films and TV (and books) a lot. If we took every single statement at face value, we'd be left with far more contradictions.
Unless the person making the statement is some narrator or omniscient character, we can't just accept everything as undeniable truth, especially when the statements in question are contradicted by other showings written by the same writers.
For example, if MCU Luke Cage lifts up some boulder or something at some point in the future, and another character claims it's 75 tons, I am going to be highly skeptical about that number, and most definitely not believe it without having some other proof to substantiate it, considering he has never shown anywhere near that level of strength.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you want to take this to a mod for a ruling?
Honestly, this seems to be the best solution at this point. This argument has been going on for multiple pages across two different threads, and has gotten absolutely nowhere. So, asking a mod whether Supergirl lifting a key that, based solely on Jimmy Olsen's word, weighs a million tons means she can strike with over a million tons of force in a forum fight, despite the fact that she has never come close to doing so onscreen, or the fact that the strain she showed during other high end strength feats brings the million ton number itself into question. Either way, it will put an end to this line of discussion.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Honestly, this seems to be the best solution at this point. This argument has been going on for multiple pages across two different threads, and has gotten absolutely nowhere. So, asking a mod whether Supergirl lifting a key that, based solely on Jimmy Olsen's word, weighs a million tons means she can strike with over a million tons of force in a forum fight, despite the fact that she has never come close to doing so onscreen, or the fact that the strain she showed during other high end strength feats brings the million ton number itself into question. Either way, it will put an end to this line of discussion.
You'll notice that this isn't the first time I've suggested getting a mod ruling for this topic, h1's lack of response while also calling people trolls for disagreeing with him should tell everyone what his real end-game is.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerIf its writer's intentions then it happened. But whether we can use it (due to PIS or SmvFl) is another story.
Not at all. Because I can say it was the writer's intent for her to show strain with lesser strength feats on a more consistent basis.But hey, if that's your argument, then people are free to use Cap's bulldozer feat for strength, or argue that Zoom moves at near light speed, regardless of how it contradicts their other showings.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI have a life unlike you. You seem to be on here trolling 24 hours a day. If I don't respond then it means I'm simply living my life (working, sex, drinking, chess club, etc)
You'll notice that this isn't the first time I've suggested getting a mod ruling for this topic, h1's lack of response while also calling people trolls for disagreeing with him should tell everyone what his real end-game is.
You just answered yourself. In contradicts everything else. And you were happy to label the Bulldozer feat "hearsay", so what evidence is there that the SHIELD instructor was lying? Nothing shown or stated on the show (I eventually got around to watching that episode).
Both feats in question contradict other consistent shown feats by the characters. The weight of the key, as well as Cap's completion of the bulldozer, rest squarely on the word of onscreen individuals, with no other evidence supporting either notion.
But anyway, just agree to the mod ruling about the usability of the feat, and we can move past this. Whether it goes in your favour or ours, at least we can move on with the discussion from there on. Because this is getting tiresome, and I am losing interest in continuing at this point.