Darkseid vs Michael Korvac

Originally posted by operator616
Look at you and your one word arguments.

And look at you becoming carver.

My whole point is that it's a potential exploitable option because it's been demonstrated to be effective against Korvac. Im not sure why you're making such a big deal out of this.

Because you said its a weakness. It isn't.

OK? Just because he isn't SS doesn't mean he's not powerful. Strange didn't become SS for more than a decade. In fact, his pre-SS feats are just as impressive as his post-SS feats.

Uh-huh. Can you prove that by any measure that's not your opinion? And everyone from Krugarr to Hazmat are now powerful but somehow Justice League merely pushing back Darkseid makes him weak. Classy lowballing.

then prove me wrong.

Already did.

He only "one-shotted" the team when he suddenly appeared ambushing them.

http://imgur.com/a/qC2kh

If that's not struggling i don't know what is.

Heh, him oneshotting them is ambushing but them ambushing him is him struggling.

Stay classy carver lite.

Also, my opinion on the matter is in regards to pre-FP DS.

Even then you will be wrong.

Originally posted by operator616
There were more scans that didn't upload, they pushed him back into the boomtube. And they clearly give him pause throughout the fight. Also that's a JLA who were at the beginning of their careers.

That surely beats getting killed by Hazmat isn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And look at you becoming carver.

What is this supposed to mean even? That im lowballing? Just because i disagree with you is no reason to suddenly start bashing me.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Because you said its a weakness. It isn't.

My main point is that it's a viable option for pre-FP DS to win.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Uh-huh. Can you prove that by any measure that's not your opinion? And everyone from Krugarr to Hazmat are now powerful but somehow Justice League merely pushing back Darkseid makes him weak. Classy lowballing.

Prove what? That Strange's pre-SS is just as powerful as post? Sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Heh, him oneshotting them is ambushing but them ambushing him is him struggling.

He appeared suddenly out of nowhere. That's exactly what ambushing means. When the JLA were attacking him, he knew that he was in a fight. Pretty simple really.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Stay classy carver lite.

This is unnecessary.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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That surely beats getting killed by Hazmat isn't it?

An alternate Hazmat who had anti matter powers? How should i know?

Originally posted by operator616
What is this supposed to mean even? That im lowballing? Just because i disagree with you is no reason to suddenly start bashing me.

I'm not bashing you. I'm telling what I see.

My main point is that it's a viable option for pre-FP DS to win.

Maybe, maybe not. It's not a weakness though.

Prove what? That Strange's pre-SS is just as powerful as post? Sure.

No, about Krugarr.

He appeared suddenly out of nowhere. That's exactly what ambushing means. When the JLA were attacking him, he knew that he was in a fight. Pretty simple really.

No, that's the other way around. Try to keep up.

And they didn't force him back. Superman did and even then he overpowered Superman like nothing.

This is unnecessary.

Yes, quit while you're ahead.

An alternate Hazmat who had anti matter powers? How should i know?

I don't know, you're the one arguing Korvac getting killed by Hazmat isn't a low showing.

So prove it wise guy.

Also remember that HALF of Darkseid's Omega Beams were capable of utterly KOing the likes of Superman earlier in that arc. 👆

In the end, all the heroes did was slightly push Darkseid back(a task they BARELY managed), and close a boom tube behind him -- in no way/shape/form were they legitimately more powerful than him overall. Aside from that, Darkseid's status as a full-fledged universal being has since been established multiple times, and is now incontrovertible fact -- so if anything, that is just a VERY high-end feat for the League, imo.

Im not even arguing n52 DS here. My original statement was in regards to pre-FP DS. Also, i wasn't saying that the league is more powerful than him just that there was a certain power gap between his showings in the first JLA arc and his AM fight.

But a discussion with Abhi can only end one way, so im not going through that route.

Originally posted by operator616
Im not even arguing n52 DS here. My original statement was in regards to pre-FP DS.

'pologies. 👆

Michael Korvac has several different powerlevels depending on the incarnation, ranging from low herald to skyfatherish, so on average DS should beat him handily.

Regarding the anti-matter showing vs Hazmat, let's remember that this was not peak Korvac. The version that got originally obliterated by Red Skull -which was the one affected by anti-matter in the first place- appeared after the original Korvac sent his powers into the timestream. It was never explained how we got that version of Korvac up and running in 616 after Korvac was captured as a baby in the future. That iteration of the character also regained his mechanical look and did not display any fancy powers at all, aside from shields, nothing he did seems outside the capabilities of regular computer Korvac (the one that originally fought Dr. Strange). How or why was he recreated with his Power Cosmic physique on his next appearence is anybody's guess - his continuity is shitty like that.

Also there is the fact Korvac never defeated anyone worth a dime even at his peak, so we'd need to be quite generous to give Korvac the win here.

Originally posted by Bentley
Michael Korvac has several different powerlevels depending on the incarnation, ranging from low herald to skyfatherish, so on average DS should beat him handily.

Regarding the anti-matter showing vs Hazmat, let's remember that this was not peak Korvac. The version that got originally obliterated by Red Skull -which was the one affected by anti-matter in the first place- appeared after the original Korvac sent his powers into the timestream. It was never explained how we got that version of Korvac up and running in 616 after Korvac was captured as a baby in the future. That iteration of the character also regained his mechanical look and did not display any fancy powers at all, aside from shields, nothing he did seems outside the capabilities of regular computer Korvac (the one that originally fought Dr. Strange). How or why was he recreated with his Power Cosmic physique on his next appearence is anybody's guess - his continuity is shitty like that.

Also there is the fact Korvac never defeated anyone worth a dime even at his peak, so we'd need to be quite generous to give Korvac the win here.

the herald Korvac is the one without the Galactus power up, and i doubt anybody would use that version. Korvac's most famous arcs are from the time when he became the god-like being after his absorption of said power up, and while he didn't face anyone who is really powerful, he was far above the combined might of the avengers and even commented that he's above Odin (though the legitimacy of that comment is questionable).

Originally posted by operator616
the herald Korvac is the one without the Galactus power up, and i doubt anybody would use that version. Korvac's most famous arcs are from the time when he became the god-like being after his absorption of said power up, and while he didn't face anyone who is really powerful, he was far above the combined might of the avengers and even commented that he's above Odin (though the legitimacy of that comment is questionable).

And speaking of pre Flashpoint, let's use true form Darkseid from Final Crisis and see how Korvac does against him?

Originally posted by operator616
Im not even arguing n52 DS here. My original statement was in regards to pre-FP DS. Also, i wasn't saying that the league is more powerful than him just that there was a certain power gap between his showings in the first JLA arc and his AM fight.

But a discussion with Abhi can only end one way, so im not going through that route.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like Darkseid was shown above the combined might of JLA and the likes of Trigon were stated to be less powerful than him.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And speaking of pre Flashpoint, let's use true form Darkseid from Final Crisis and see how Korvac does against him?

Korvac stomps with hands behind his back. That weakling got beaten by batman. 😂

Originally posted by operator616
Who are you arguing with? Because i never made a case for N52 DS against Korvac.

Really? Because you seem to arguing a lot against him.

Korvac stomps with hands behind his back. That weakling got beaten by batman. 😂

Seriously?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Because you seem to arguing a lot against him.

I was arguing in his favor against pre-FP DS, do you really think id have given Korvac a win against N52 Darkseid "without much effort"? Because that's what i said in my initial post: That Korvac wins without much problem. Even if i was willing to grant Korvac the win against N52 Darkseid i would have at least mentioned that it would be a great fight considering his battle with the AM. I feel like you're trying to force me into an argument im not willing to make.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Seriously?

My answer was as serious as your (rhetorical) question. Pitting the multiversal Darkseid against Korvac, because clearly, that was the OP's intention.

Can we stop the hate for a second, and reflect on how, no matter the side you're arguing for, being called Carver is still an insult.

Originally posted by operator616
I was arguing in his favor against pre-FP DS, do you really think id have given Korvac a win against N52 Darkseid "without much effort"? Because that's what i said in my initial post: That Korvac wins without much problem. Even if i was willing to grant Korvac the win against N52 Darkseid i would have at least mentioned that it would be a great fight considering his battle with the AM. I feel like you're trying to force me into an argument im not willing to make.

Korvac would defeat New 52 Darkseid with some effort. The power level he exhibits would be too much. The battle with Anti-monitor has been exaggerated with regard to its magnitude.

Didn't Powergirl stalemate Darkseid and snatched his eye out while at the same time dodging his omegas.?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Korvac would defeat New 52 Darkseid with some effort. The power level he exhibits would be too much. The battle with Anti-monitor has been exaggerated with regard to its magnitude.

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Like him absorbing universes for one.

Originally posted by carver9
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Like him absorbing universes for one.

That is based on Grail's contradictory hyperbole. He doesn't absorb any universes.

Darkseid. Current, that is.