Originally posted by Beniboybling
It fits fine lol. Palpatine was capable of implementing a "Dark Empire" regardless of how long it would take.But yeah that was that the source is referring to, thanks for the quote.
Fine, but as I said, controlling the galaxy's citizens through proxies isn't the same as controlling them through the dark side.
Originally posted by AzrongerControlling citizens through use of the dark side is controlling citizens through use of the dark side, actually. Nowhere does the source state his control would have been a direct influence of his personal dark side power.
Fine, but as I said, controlling the galaxy's citizens through proxies isn't the same as controlling them through the dark side.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
I know I'm a clown, but lots of Sources really do seem to hype Sidious. But I'm not saying they're wrong or can should taken with a grain of salt.
No need to dismiss something relating to Sheev as hyperbole or take them grain of salt. When there are mountains of quotes that all clearly support Sheevism and worship Sheev, his placement in the mythos and position as a galactonic Force god is quite self-evident.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Controlling citizens through use of the dark side is controlling citizens through use of the dark side, actually. Nowhere does the source state his control would have been a direct influence of his personal dark side power.
No, but as I have stated before, and shall state once more, controlling them through religious indoctrination, intimidation and other such means doesn't equate to controlling them through the dark side, even if the thing they are indoctrinated into and intimidated with happens to be the dark side. In order to control them through the dark side as the quote says, he'd have to literally mind dominate them or trigger a ritual which would bind everyone in the galaxy to Palpatine's will - and given Palpatine's pre-established abilities in the fields of Telepathy and Sith Sorcery, I do not find these notions to be outlandish in the slightest.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Well, I guess Sidious is probably going to be a contender for DC and Marvel characters, and maybe even some DBZ characters lol, given how much hype he gets which probably aren't hyperboles.
I'd say he's low-mid Herald level as far as Marvel/DC is concerned. Wouldn't get very far in Dragonball though, when guys like Master Roshi (utter fodder to 99 % of the named people) can blow up the moon.
Originally posted by AzrongerWrong again. The quote says he would control the galaxy through use of the dark side. Try to understand the difference.
No, but as I have stated before, and shall state once more, controlling them through religious indoctrination, intimidation and other such means doesn't equate to controlling them through the dark side, even if the thing they are indoctrinated into and intimidated with happens to be the dark side. In order to control them through the dark side as the quote says, he'd have to literally mind dominate them or trigger a ritual which would bind everyone in the galaxy to Palpatine's will - and given Palpatine's pre-established abilities in the fields of Telepathy and Sith Sorcery, I do not find these notions to be outlandish in the slightest.
For example: if I were to say I'd use my immense fortune to get you to do what I want, that doesn't preclude me paying someone to make you, as opposed to paying you to do it directly. Because I am still using the stated tool (money) to achieve the stated end.
Likewise, Palpatine establishing a dark side theocracy with the Force as a substitute for superweapons exists well within the parameters of using the dark side to control the galaxy.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wrong again. The quote says he would control the galaxy through [b]use of the dark side. Try to understand the difference.For example: if I were to say I'd use my immense fortune to get you to do what I want, that doesn't preclude me paying someone to make you, as opposed to paying you to do it directly. Because I am still using the stated tool (money) to achieve the stated end.
Likewise, Palpatine establishing a dark side theocracy with the Force as a substitute for superweapons exists well within the parameters of using the dark side to control the galaxy. [/B]
Ah, fair enough, then. I concede that my interpretation is the most straightforward one, but not that it is entirely implausible. I will not use it as a feat in a VS battle, but I at least want you to acknowledge that such an interpretation is valid and fits the quote's wording.
Originally posted by Azrongerthis is the comic vs forum low herald list. It's a bit old and some of the placements are way off, but it gives a general idea. I posted the link for all the rankings below.
Low Herald-tier is in the planetary range, correct?
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Doomsday (DOS), Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress, Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Forerunner, Gammid, Gilgamesh, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Invincible, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Kalibak, Kang, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Tempest, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra- Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=447826&pagenumber=1 😮
Originally posted by Azronger
I'd say he's low-mid Herald level as far as Marvel/DC is concerned. Wouldn't get very far in Dragonball though
kek, DC and Marvel would absolutely sh!t on DB characters, lmao. If Sheev isn't getting very far there, then he isn't even a gnat in the hierarchy of DC and Marvel.