Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Don't look like Vicky got all that chewed up to me.. [/B]
He is saved from it by Thunderbolts, thus altering history. Originally, he is chewed up. Funny that Galen didn't notice that I inquired earlier as to whether it is usable since it is undone by time travel. But since I hurt him feelings earlier, he now stalks me because him angry.
I would say that since it originally happens in continuity, it counts for battle board reasons despite time travel undoing it. Opinions?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He is saved from it by Thunderbolts, thus altering history. Originally, he is chewed up. Funny that Galen didn't notice that I inquired earlier as to whether it is usable since it is undone by time travel. But since I hurt him feelings earlier, he now stalks me because him angry.I would say that since it originally happens in continuity, it counts for battle board reasons despite time travel undoing it. Opinions?
Personally, I don't think it counts. Does Doom have the POTENTIAL to do it? Sure. But he never did it. Similar to a What If? Story. Yes, yes, I know, there are XYZ different reasons why this ISN'T like a What If story, but I am only drawing parallels here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Personally, I don't think it counts. Does Doom have the POTENTIAL to do it? Sure. But he never did it. Similar to a What If? Story. Yes, yes, I know, there are XYZ different reasons why this ISN'T like a What If story, but I am only drawing parallels here.
I would think that clear differences from a What If makes it not parallel. Gaylen and Abhi are simply trying to finagle a way to not include a feat. Kind of like someone trying to have evidence repressed due to it having been obtained illegally. Still doesn't change what the evidence shows. Doom does this in an in-continuity, canon book. It was not retconned. A retcon involves an addition to a past event that changes it and the addition technically was ALWAYS there. In cases of canon things that are undone through time travel, I would say that the feats count unlike What Ifs, alternate futures and alternate realities.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So would pre 52/post 52 feats count equally?They all took place in a Canon mainstream DCU.
Except Pandora and Barry changed time so that certain events never happened/happened differently.
But they still happened. In a canon comic. Would I be able to use pre 52 feats when discussing, say, WW?
Alternate realities. One had nothing to do with other. Miller's FF run was in 616.
Doom is like the Superman of Marvel in willpower. Absolutely beastly, and if you had asked me 5-10 years ago I would have put those two at their respective tops without hesitation.
But then Johns got a hold of Hal, and started wanking. Hard. Now Hal does shit on the regular that shouldn't be possible, but then the excuse is "cuz willpower" and I guess that's cool. I mean, Hal just recently literally discorporated and became willpower. The thing that really sealed it though is when they made Hal's willpower a link to the spark of creation itself. His connection with willpower itself is stronger than the GL central battery, according to Volthoom (who knows a thing or two about that).
So yeah, Hal wins right now. Doom would have had a strong case 5-10 years ago, and probably will 5-10 years from now.
