X-23 vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by leonidas
lol still haven't seen proof the suit would protect him from an adamantium stab, so...no mercy necessary. still didn't see combat effectiveness of this force field either, soooo, i'll wait. no pretending necessary unless we just pretend the suit can stop an adamantium blade. because, well, like i said, i've not seen proof. btw, a slash has....kinetic energy. if it can be slashed, it can be stabbed through. the other blades that broke simply weren't stronger than vibranium. adamantium is. it's like saying a plastic knife can't cut formica than saying since the plastic knife can't neither can a titanium blade. the argument holds no weight. at all.

P.S. The previous suit could only be cut by cutting along the grain (hence why stabbing didn't affect him).

It hasn't been slashed though.

Originally posted by Vanguard
So the fact that he's never been impaled while having the suit for about fifteen years now isn't enough proof?

lol no, no it's not. that is simply an application of a no-limits fallacy.....

@ds and....ds: ok, cool, so his new suit has never been cut or slashed? van was the one saying it could be slashed. still waiting to see some feats from the suit that would lead me to believe it could stop the blades. obviously we're not going all no-limits, so let's see something that would indicate it's as impenetrable as you all think. what's the greatest attack it's withstood? where did it absorb all this kinetic energy you guys say it can that would make me think laura couldn't slash it or stab through it? i just keep asking for feats and getting....not much.

My point was that it's a different suit from the scans posted by others.

Where it had been slashed. The current one doesn't have any reference to against or with the grain or whatever it was.

The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

I don't think that it is all that important whether the suit stops impalement. What's important is whether he has the skill and speed to avoid such a strike. So far, against Logan, he has shown this.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

Force fields are trickier. So HOW it works, is pretty important.

Originally posted by krisblaze
The assumption should not be that Adamantium can not cut through something.

that is my point exactly. but yes, force fields are different. and i've yet to see scans of them or anything to convince me the suit can't be cut by adamantium. i hardly find that asking for too much given some of the claims made here.

Black Panther is also the smarter fighter which gives him the edge and the win.

Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Smarter fighter? He's well known for being beaten to a pulp and sodomized by a big black dude with no superpowers.

Killmonger is at least peak human. And they haven't fought recently. Current Panther is a different animal.

Don't worry, the next time Erik needs a booty, he'll shatter your BP's forcefields with a single punch and rape him in front of you, as usual.

You like to watch, don't you? 😉

shocking

oops, i forgot to address these....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It doesn't have many feats, simply because the latest Panther series is more.....introspective than 'PUNCHPUNCHPUNCH!' Plus, it's not a field, but the actual suit itself.

But there are some.

Took the energy blast of Stane, and redirected the energy into the ground, weaponising it:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b41w7ddid-s/WOx13fE0LjI/AAAAAAADHCU/eJppCq3lrb4sCiG8ak6inIlO45h9--hygCLcB/s1600/04_11.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jVRHH_XAeAs/WOx139OICKI/AAAAAAADHCc/hQXr78VqD4wJfRDZTp9mVgeCumS2XzEAwCLcB/s1600/04_12.jpg

these are pretty irrelevant of course because she wouldn't be attacking him with energy. /shrug (cool suit effect though...)

It seems to just react on energy:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-im5TPegH_TI/V6te5bpI7KI/AAAAAAACzWA/ktF6V4SZ-z0LwUJ9zx0Pat_1d66YO40WgCLcB/s1600/28_03.jpg

hrm, i see that totally differently. i don't see that as absorbing kinetic energy and shooting it back, i see it has him catching the fist of some schlup and then blasting him with energy in the suit.... that is actually supported in your other scans. i'll mention it later.

And it basically gives him TK - here, he takes an explosion:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c3yWQOyUc00/V3XbIMHxlTI/AAAAAAAU7L0/FpLsF5ufbF47f_IKGWpa2N9RrbjRnyIUACLcB/s1600/10_16.jpg

again, i see him simply discharging energy and her getting thrown back by it. i don't really see that as tk my friend, but, maybe. anyway, in the background we see him getting physically pummeled over and over again but none of that energy is being thrown back at those guys, so i don't see it as absorbing kinetic energy. and i mena it doesn't make a lot of sense if it did since it would likely absorb the kinetic force of his own punches too, no....?

So all those lovely scans that carver posted, of how fast and powerful X-23 is? It would only amp BP.

far be it from me to defend carver, lord knows.... but none of those scans indicate he can't be stabbed. /shrug

He can also command the dead to fight for him:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qPzIZxcpaRs/WOx2RVjXetI/AAAAAAADHIw/kBnRoqRo8lARbcsiDIYVf1DBcGKabXBKACLcB/s1600/08_22.jpg

well, sure. if he can get the dead in the fight he wins. 👆

Edit: more scans:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CwXFR0OmvvY/VzQgc7uYhRI/AAAAAAAUlUo/c2jeDIoLdYIsBq4l-x4kDNOXpSyY1NFYQCLcB/s1600/23_10.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dXpG6Aow9xI/VzQgdiIcpmI/AAAAAAAUlUs/5R_RcDwhPV0vWxLltqQJlwtCz4I2pkXDgCLcB/s1600/23_11.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QBgFHG13kuw/VzQgdiZIZeI/AAAAAAAUlUw/eYdlbTshWD4nd737JPExNyTjcywViRe2wCLcB/s1600/23_12.jpg

again. not seeing what you see ds. he gets slammed--hard--by that guy, but the energy doesn't have to come from the slam. it gets generated in his hand and is fired through the device in the palm. looks like some electrical blast or other, and nothing more to me. didn't know he could throw blasts like that around tbh though. could add something, but the level of damage seems kinda...limited. certainly laura has walked through far far worse. odd that he didn't use any daggers though.

It's not vibranium anymore. It fires your own power back at you. [/B]

maybe it absorbs some blast energy but i certainly didn't see evidence that it absorbs kinetic energy--at least the return isn't immediate, to say the least. and there is nothing in there at all to suggest the suit would protect from an adamantium stab....

all that said, you could be right. maybe the author intends for us to somehow come to the conclusion that it absorbs and stores kinetic energy. if so, there are vastly easier ways to show it than these scenes. i'd need something a lot more definitive as proof i'm afraid. i've seen nothing in the ultimates to suggest it and i'm pretty sure if you looked around you could find him discharging that energy blast without ever having been hit by someone first...

sorry man, just not seeing this thing as anything but very close and i still think a clean stab can end it.

If you google "Black Panther cannot be stabbed" you'll see plenty of bios that confirm he can't be impaled. We're not just pulling this out of the air. I also believe Priest had it up on his old site which unfortunately I cannot find now.

Good, then Laura just needs to cut him in half. Far more effective.

Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...

Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that

Originally posted by Vanguard
If you google "Black Panther cannot be stabbed" you'll see plenty of bios that confirm he can't be impaled. We're not just pulling this out of the air. I also believe Priest had it up on his old site which unfortunately I cannot find now.

http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/panther/frames/faq.htm#powers

Originally posted by TheHulkster
http://digitalpriest.com/legacy/comics/panther/frames/faq.htm#powers

You're good. How did you find that?

Thanks

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...

Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that

Cool.

And X-23 beat Collector 😛