irrelevant bios and irrelevant scans? i toss is somehow winning a fight? bp saying logan can't win is a win, even though logan, in that scene, fought like a moron and forgot his skills? what, he'd just keep fighting like that? his hf wouldn't heal that scratch? seriously? anyway, so, again, no proof regarding the claws. sure looks like bp has no intention of letting the claws just bounce off his impregnable suit though.... lol and ds was right, his suit appears to be quite different now anyway. so, yet another irrelevancy.
@pg--sure the daggers may have hurt that ghost somehow (he can shift their energy frequencies so not a huge surprise i guess) but i've also been told they go through all force fields in this thread, and that is blatantly wrong too, as shown vs the troubleshooters where his daggers bounced off spitfires force field, who then proceeded to hack his unbeatable armor and pull it apart. and pretty sure that spitfire is also well below even the ghost of a cube being....
just loads of irrelevant stuff in here to defend panther. it's kind of odd tbh. there is no proof to say laura couldn't cut the suit. at this point it's clear as crystal. his daggers could hurt her but her durability feats are crazy. he's good at h2h, so is she. speed is close but that could be compared pretty easily and i'd say she was faster.
anyone that thinks this isn't close isn't paying attention i'm afraid. or simply doesn't want to acknowledge the other side. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
oops, i forgot to address these....these are pretty irrelevant of course because she wouldn't be attacking him with energy. /shrug (cool suit effect though...)
hrm, i see that totally differently. i don't see that as absorbing kinetic energy and shooting it back, i see it has him catching the fist of some schlup and then blasting him with energy in the suit.... that is actually supported in your other scans. i'll mention it later.
From Ta-Nehisi Coates:
“After talking back and forth we came up with some new ideas for how T’Challa’s famed Vibranium-weave suit might work — in this case, absorbing kinetic energy and allowing him to fire that energy back out in short energy bursts. “Energy bursts” almost gets it wrong — think ‘force-push’ not ‘optic blast.’ All the old powers are there-enhanced senses, agility, peak-human strength etc. But this idea (and others) really came out of Brian’s thought — not just on the suit — but on the properties of Vibranium itself.
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/12/conceptualizing-the-black-panther/418479/
So I know writer interviews are inadmissible - but that is when the comic is clear cut. In this case, obviously, it is not clear cut (at least to you and maybe others who haven't been keeping up with BP), hence my use of his own column in The Atlantic, which he wrote (and is not an interview). Ta-Nehisi's intention is that it absorbs energy, and fires it back out in short bursts.
again, i see him simply discharging energy and her getting thrown back by it. i don't really see that as tk my friend, but, maybe. anyway, in the background we see him getting physically pummeled over and over again but none of that energy is being thrown back at those guys, so i don't see it as absorbing kinetic energy. and i mena it doesn't make a lot of sense if it did since it would likely absorb the kinetic force of his own punches too, no....?
Also, I'm not your friend, buddy. Reported.
far be it from me to defend carver, lord knows.... but none of those scans indicate he can't be stabbed. /shrug
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well, sure. if he can get the dead in the fight he wins. 👆
Well, he's still the King of The Dead. The latest issue actually had him being called out on it, and the dead Panthers have said they will still follow him, for now. They were commanded by Bast to obey his orders, and he summons them in battle (like Doom or Magik would, I guess).
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again. not seeing what you see ds. he gets slammed--hard--by that guy, but the energy doesn't have to come from the slam. it gets generated in his hand and is fired through the device in the palm. looks like some electrical blast or other, and nothing more to me. didn't know he could throw blasts like that around tbh though. could add something, but the level of damage seems kinda...limited. certainly laura has walked through far far worse. odd that he didn't use any daggers though.
i'm pretty sure if you looked around you could find him discharging that energy blast without ever having been hit by someone first...
Originally posted by carver93 seconds actually. Not impressive.
I would. If you gave me a blade, do you think I could repeat the showing above? Wonder if k could house in the air, kick a hole in someone's chest and then cut another person's throat and bounce to the other side of them in 0.03 seconds?
Originally posted by leonidasThough I admit it's tangential, what I was trying to illustrate is that Panther is on a higher level dealing with bigger things than X-23. Spitfire hacking his suit is more irrelevant to X-23 than Panther hurting the Shaper of worlds, but then again he easily beat her without the suit
@pg--sure the daggers may have hurt that ghost somehow (he can shift their energy frequencies so not a huge surprise i guess) but i've also been told they go through all force fields in this thread, and that is blatantly wrong too, as shown vs the troubleshooters where his daggers bounced off spitfires force field, who then proceeded to hack his unbeatable armor and pull it apart. and pretty sure that spitfire is also well below even the ghost of a cube being....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85She'd be attacking with kinetic energy.
From Ta-Nehisi Coates:
Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/12/conceptualizing-the-black-panther/418479/
So I know writer interviews are inadmissible - but that is when the comic is clear cut. In this case, obviously, it is not clear cut (at least to you and maybe others who haven't been keeping up with BP), hence my use of his own column in The Atlantic, which he wrote (and is not an interview). Ta-Nehisi's intention is that it absorbs energy, and fires it back out in short bursts.
I said TK, because he used the words 'force push'. Agreed, though, it's not made clear in the comic itself. As for how it actually works? Comics, lol.
Also, I'm not your friend, buddy. Reported.
This made me so angry.
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Well, he's still the King of The Dead. The latest issue actually had him being called out on it, and the dead Panthers have said they will still follow him, for now. They were commanded by Bast to obey his orders, and he summons them in battle (like Doom or Magik would, I guess).I admit, my interpretation of the scans is coloured by my knowledge of his column, which I have given the source for here. Everytime he fires off the blast, that purple suit effect shows, and it is preceded by him being hit.
That's the thing - there aren't any such scenes. I've pretty much shown every single scene its been shown (BP is only on issue 14 or so I think, and a LOT of it is him sitting around waxing philosophical).
something on bp was in the ATLANTIC?? 😂 that's rarefied air right there....
anyway, cool enough. thing is, in those scans it really isn't apparent and there are times he is hit and nothing seems to happen. him stepping, running, etc, its all kinetic energy. so...yeah, kinda dumb, but logan moves with an adamantium skeleton, so yeah. still, he clearly feels the impact of the blows that land. a thrust with the claw wouldn't release that much kinetic energy. and if all the suit does is absorb and return it, he wouldn't get much from a thrust anyway. still not seeing why the claw wouldn't simply penetrate. punches and throws land and hurt, just the energy seems to be stored somehow and released. and tbh those little bursts would likely only annoy laura. /shrug
like i said, i'd need some proof it could withstand that type of attack. the article was pretty ambiguous, obviously, and the scans kind of mirror that ambiguity and the way it works in general.
and i'm mad too--don't ever put me in a position to take carver's side again. if you do, you'll be dead to me.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Though I admit it's tangential, what I was trying to illustrate is that Panther is on a higher level dealing with bigger things than X-23. Spitfire hacking his suit is more irrelevant to X-23 than Panther hurting the Shaper of worlds, but then again he easily beat her without the suit
just because he's part of the ultimates doesn't mean he's...beyond someone like laura. really? 😕 she's been through some cosmic sh!t of her own. natasha is an avenger and has fought....everyone. pretty sure she didn't suddenly evolve into a cosmic hero though. and i also don't think anyone would be willing to debate bp without a suit vs laura. tough enough getting him wins when he has it.
I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that he brings more to the table without even mentioning his status as a monarch of a wealthy and technologically advanced nation. They are together less than half of what he is
Neither X-23 or Black widow can add anything to the Ultimates especially going by how they're going up against cosmic level threats almost exclusively.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Meanwhile Panther's daggers are damaging cube beings...Edit* a "ghost" of the Shaper but I mean, X-23 is far below even that
Captain marvel begrudgingly accepts that he has her number also
Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that he brings more to the table without even mentioning his status as a monarch of a wealthy and technologically advanced nation. They are together less than half of what he isNeither X-23 or Black widow can add anything to the Ultimates especially going by how they're going up against cosmic level threats almost exclusively.
Captain marvel begrudgingly accepts that he has her number also
well, in natasha's case, she became the actual leader of the avengers, so not sure she couldn't 'add anything' even to a team like the ultimates, but this topic is roaming all over the place.
you seem to be giving him a win here based on status as much as anything. none of that would have any bearing on the way a brutal, ugly fight would go down between these 2 imo. it's his tech vs her crazy damage soak, hf and claws.
i mean she gets turned nearly into a skeleton by this explosion and is not even ko'd:
https://i.imgur.com/9457Hrl.jpg
this just pissed her off:
https://i.imgur.com/lJGe6Bl.jpg
lady death strike basically cut her to shreds and had wide open shots here:
https://i.imgur.com/0NN2bRv.jpg
again, that only really pisses laura off. she gets up and beats the crap out of her on the next page and is fully healed. so, where is all this offense from panther that is going to take her out for good before she guts him? daggers won't do it from what i've seen, those little energy bursts won't do it so he'd likely have to try and beat her into unconsciousness at some point and i have serious doubts that would work either...
she's also hit teleporters in the past and kicked the asses of an entire invisible TEAM. like i said, i simply don't see anyway that this isn't anything but very close overall. i'll still take laura 6/10 here. /shrug
Not only tech. He is stronger and faster after upgrades. And he is more skilled.
She was KO for a minute because a bullet in the head, and Blob beat her bad in a x-men issue. Not sure if we should stick with "She insta heal from anything below destroying her entire body".
Panther with his energetic gauntled has more striking power than Blob IMO.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Not only tech. He is stronger and faster after upgrades. And he is more skilled.She was KO for a minute because a bullet in the head, and Blob beat her bad in a x-men issue. Not sure if we should stick with "She insta heal from anything below destroying her entire body".
Panther with his energetic gauntled has more striking power than Blob IMO.
i agree that we don't have to use her highest showings, but her average showings are exceptional--every bit as good as logan's. and her hf has been stated to be BETTER than his, so, like i said, he'll need to dish out some monstrous damage to keep her down. and yes, she does have a couple lesser showings, but we also don't use those....
as far as stats: i doubt he's faster. more skilled? maybe. stronger? for sure. but spike and claws and damage soak make up for the strength difference and whatever skill difference there is would be negligible imo. he also isn't without his own poor showings in skill. i don't have an issue with someone saying he wins. i do have an issue, given the very clear lack of support, with anyone saying he stomps her. this is close. very close.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
What about he battling with a Black Order member, or hurting Namor (and surviving more than one hit)?Black Panther also can fight invisible and teleport during a battle.
Imo he is in another class of power.
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Still fought these invisible guys too.
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I'll address the healing factor comments later. She's got one of the most consistent healing factors around, and you're leaving out tons of context behind Blob. She suffered severe damage before she fought him, and overestimated how well her healing factor was still working. It's not a low showing.
I'd be happy to post 2 healing feats for every low showing you have of her though, since she doesn't have many lows tbh. What Leo posted is her average.
I agree with Leo as far as BP's suit is concerned. On paper, it sounds good, but we need to see how it performs against some other elite streets first. On paper, his last suit should have made him basically invincible in hand to hand, but it didn't really work out that way against named opponents...
