Tough call. SS is slower than Sif so she's gonna be landing more hits, but her weapons aren't piercing adamantium. Her physical blows are gonna have much more effect, but its difficult to say how much, since Logan's physical blows had zero effect and the armor took those falls pretty nicely, but there's that she'sstronger than Logan. Since she's stronger than Logan, she could pull the armor apart at the joints like he did, but that's gonna place her closer to the adamantium sword and without the SS incapacitated like he was when that happened, I don't see her getting that close.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Tough call. SS is slower than Sif so she's gonna be landing more hits, but her weapons aren't piercing adamantium. Her physical blows are gonna have much more effect, but its difficult to say how much, since Logan's physical blows had zero effect and the armor took those falls pretty nicely, but there's that she'sstronger than Logan. Since she's stronger than Logan, she could pull the armor apart at the joints like he did, but that's gonna place her closer to the adamantium sword and without the SS incapacitated like he was when that happened, I don't see her getting that close.
Technically, there's no proof that her sword won't penetrate adamantium. Adamantium is considered the toughest metal ON EARTH, and we know that Asgardians are pretty much immune to Earth steel weapons so it follows that their own steel is much tougher.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Technically, there's no proof that her sword won't penetrate adamantium. Adamantium is considered the toughest metal ON EARTH, and we know that Asgardians are pretty much immune to Earth steel weapons so it follows that their own steel is much tougher.
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Kill yourself.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
facepalmKill yourself.
Let me put it this way:
We've seen thugs with katanas block Wolverine's claws. We've also seen a random Asgardian farmer casually crumple a tactical.knife in his hand. In terms of composition, a modern tactical knife is tougher than a katana. For Asgardian weapons to be effective against Asgardians they would need to be way more durable than a human tactical knife, which would make them them a lot more durable than a katana which was able to block Wolverine's claws without breaking.
It's also not just asgardian weapon but the fact that Sif is a lot stronger than Wolverine.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me put it this way:We've seen thugs with katanas block Wolverine's claws. We've also seen a random Asgardian farmer casually crumple a tactical.knife in his hand. In terms of composition, a modern tactical knife is tougher than a katana. For Asgardian weapons to be effective against Asgardians they would need to be way more durable than a human tactical knife, which would make them them a lot more durable than a katana which was able to block Wolverine's claws without breaking.
It's also not just asgardian weapon but the fact that Sif is a lot stronger than Wolverine.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Technically, there's no proof that her sword won't penetrate adamantium. Adamantium is considered the toughest metal ON EARTH, and we know that Asgardians are pretty much immune to Earth steel weapons so it follows that their own steel is much tougher.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me put it this way:We've seen thugs with katanas block Wolverine's claws. We've also seen a random Asgardian farmer casually crumple a tactical.knife in his hand. In terms of composition, a modern tactical knife is tougher than a katana. For Asgardian weapons to be effective against Asgardians they would need to be way more durable than a human tactical knife, which would make them them a lot more durable than a katana which was able to block Wolverine's claws without breaking.
It's also not just asgardian weapon but the fact that Sif is a lot stronger than Wolverine.
Originally posted by Silent Master
What part are you having trouble understanding?
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Its not that his post is hard to understand rather his logic has more holes than Swiss cheese. Or more like there's less logic and more nonsense in his post.
Firstly Froth makes the ridiculous, if not moronic assumption that Asgardian metal might pierce Adamantium since its tougher than Earth steel and Adamantium is the toughest metal known on earth, forgetting that adamantium is leagues above steel in pretty much every category and the fact adamantium exists in a different universe earth.
Then he brings up Sif being stronger than Wolverine, which is absolutely moot since Wolverine, or anyone for that matter, even those with similar strength or stronger than Wolverine like Lady Deathstrike, X-24, Barakapool, and of course, Silver Samurai, hasn't cut through adamantium even with Adamantium weapons without the heating plot device.
Thirdly, he uses an example of something not being cut by Wolverine's claws to support the argument of Asgardian metal being able to cut through adamantium, when the former is cutting power while the latter is durability. They have almost no relation.
Fourthly, he once again makes the claim of Shingen being just fodder. No, he doesn't even say its him, he simply claims that its fodder that blocked Wolverine's claws with a katana. While completely ignoring that Wolverine eventually cut through them anyway. Or that earlier in the movie, when Wolverine was not at full power, this fodder guy used knife which sliced a ten feet long hole in the roof of a train yet Logan cut through that knife easily. Or that Mario, who can cut through chains, a motor or a metal stool's leg and a beer bottle in one swing failed to cut through that sword. Or that the guy wielding that sword, Shingen, has casually beat fodder himself, and has beaten Mariko, who herself has steamrolled large numbers of fodder and went toe-to-toe and even beaten Viper, who has shown low-level super strength. Or that Shingen survived getting stabbed by Viper in the jugular by a fountain pen tainted with her poison, the same poison which insta-killed normal people and even nearly killed Harada (whose no fodder either) when it made contact with a cut on his skin before Viper used the anti-venom on him. A normal person can't survive either yet he survived the combination that alone should tell how tough and above fodder he is.
Fifthly, if he wants to compare cutting power, there are many better instances of Logan's claws cutting through things much tougher than either a katana or a tactical knife, and Logan himself has shown the strength to break metal, yet he continues to insist on using that one lone showing to lowball.
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TL;DR - Froth's post is just dumb, uses faulty logic, nitpicking and double standards.
And that's for now
1) Has movie adamantium ever withstood Asgardian level metal being wielded by someone of Sif's strength and if not, What is wrong with pointing out that Asgardian metal might be able to pierce movie adamantium?
2) Are you claiming that strength plays zero part in being able to cut through things? if not, why is Sif's strength moot?
3) Actually he just brought it up to show Asgardian metal is stronger than a metal that has successfully blocked adamantium, at no point did he say that was proof it would cut/pierce adamantium
4) Are you saying that Shingen was the only one to block Wolverine's claws with a katana in the movie?
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
(Warning, incoming wall of text)Its not that his post is hard to understand rather his logic has more holes than Swiss cheese. Or more like there's less logic and more nonsense in his post.
Firstly Froth makes the ridiculous, if not moronic assumption that Asgardian metal might pierce Adamantium since its tougher than Earth steel and Adamantium is the toughest metal known on earth, forgetting that adamantium is leagues above steel in pretty much every category and the fact adamantium exists in a different universe earth.
Then he brings up Sif being stronger than Wolverine, which is absolutely moot since Wolverine, or anyone for that matter, even those with similar strength or stronger than Wolverine like Lady Deathstrike, X-24, Barakapool, and of course, Silver Samurai, hasn't cut through adamantium even with Adamantium weapons without the heating plot device.
Thirdly, he uses an example of something not being cut by Wolverine's claws to support the argument of Asgardian metal being able to cut through adamantium, when the former is cutting power while the latter is durability. They have almost no relation.
Fourthly, he once again makes the claim of Shingen being just fodder. No, he doesn't even say its him, he simply claims that its fodder that blocked Wolverine's claws with a katana. While completely ignoring that Wolverine eventually cut through them anyway. Or that earlier in the movie, when Wolverine was not at full power, this fodder guy used knife which sliced a ten feet long hole in the roof of a train yet Logan cut through that knife easily. Or that Mario, who can cut through chains, a motor or a metal stool's leg and a beer bottle in one swing failed to cut through that sword. Or that the guy wielding that sword, Shingen, has casually beat fodder himself, and has beaten Mariko, who herself has steamrolled large numbers of fodder and went toe-to-toe and even beaten Viper, who has shown low-level super strength. Or that Shingen survived getting stabbed by Viper in the jugular by a fountain pen tainted with her poison, the same poison which insta-killed normal people and even nearly killed Harada (whose no fodder either) when it made contact with a cut on his skin before Viper used the anti-venom on him. A normal person can't survive either yet he survived the combination that alone should tell how tough and above fodder he is.
Fifthly, if he wants to compare cutting power, there are many better instances of Logan's claws cutting through things much tougher than either a katana or a tactical knife, and Logan himself has shown the strength to break metal, yet he continues to insist on using that one lone showing to lowball.
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TL;DR - Froth's post is just dumb, uses faulty logic, nitpicking and double standards.
And that's for now
While I can respect the fact that you disagree with my points, your insults are completely unwarranted. Nothing in my post was even remotely insulting or aggressive. You might want to take your tone down a notch.
As for your points:
1. You forget that comicbooks have no bearing here, we base our facts purely on the movies. Movieverse adamantium has never had to go up against Asgardian steel or anything as tough as Asgardian steel. Asgardian steel is proven to be much more durable and effective than any steel known to man, heck Asgardians have a time traveling device proving how far advanced they are. To think that Adamantium can automatically cut through Asgardian steel or rebuff Asgardian steel is a no limits fallacy.
2. Are you saying strength isn't a factor when it comes to cutting or piercing with a weapon? Because that's just stupid.
3. The examples I used were simply there to illustrate the fact that 1. Adamantium can't easily conquer earthly metals and that 2. Asgardian metal is far superior to Earthly steel.
4. Shingen wasn't the only one blocking Wolverine's claws with a katana.
Purely conjecture and speculation, but don't see why as guardian metals could not be equal or close to adamantium. Mjolnir was forged in the heart of a dying star, as Odin said. That doesn't mean everything is as impressive as the hammer, but being forged in the middle of a dying star seems a heck of a lot more advanced than metal from a meteor hitting earth, even if that metal is not found natively on earth. They have obviously had access to everything in the entire nine realmsfor millennia. Their own physiology is many times stronger and more durable than humans, so their own weapons and armor's would have to be considerably stronger than our normal metals, one would think. Purely speculation.
Moore speculation: The adamantium had to be melted from its raw unprocessed form, so the original unprocessed form probably had a lower melting point then the finished hardened form, but wolverines claws were cut with very high heat, they were probably weakened by a high heat, just like any metal. It might make sense that Thors Hammer could've been molded in the great heat of a dying star, to make the metal malleable or meltable or whatever.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Technically, there's no proof that her sword won't penetrate adamantium. Adamantium is considered the toughest metal ON EARTH, and we know that Asgardians are pretty much immune to Earth steel weapons so it follows that their own steel is much tougher.
Adamentium didn't come from earth, it came from an astroid from space. Its not an earthy metal whatsoever.
You implied as much when you said "we know Asgardians are immune to earth metal" and that "Adametium is the strongest metal on earth."
In any case is adamentium has better cutting feats then any Asgradian weapon as well as any durability showings. It withstood disintegration from Phoenix force, one of the most powerful forces in the universe.
I implied nothing. Simply that Adamantium was the strongest metal known to man but that the kind of steel mankind had to compare it to was far inferior to what the Asgardians have.
To clarify, I'm not saying Asgardian steel is better than Adamantium. I'm saying there's no guarantee that adamantium can rebuff Asgardian steel. To assume as much would be a no limits fallacy.