OWAW Superman vs. Superboy Prime (Two Rounds)

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
My friend Stan Lee who I hang out constantly told me that Superman will basically beat every marvel character and I told him and show him what JBL thinks of Marvel and Superman and he started cracking up. He told me "that guy is just butthurt"

True story

Writer opinions are meaningless, except if they write the comic, another writer might disagree and write a different outcome or "recton" it. Acting like a writers opinion outside of a comic means something, or counts as a fact just because he is a writer, especially in crossover debates, is the most retarded thing, truth be told.
So OWAW Superman powered by the Loeb force wins.

JBL, my best friend Byrne says you are having a meltdown and is lhao because of it right now.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
JBL, my best friend Byrne says you are having a meltdown and is lhao because of it right now.

Spoiler:
I tell you who the writer friend of JBL is. We all see him as a friend, it's Zack!

Originally posted by Galan007
For a point of reference: Superman has only dropped all(key word) of his self-imposed mental blocks and fully(key word) cut loose TWICE in his entire ~80 year character history...across hundredS of different titles...across thousandS of different appearances. The first time was against Doomsday during DoS; the second time was against the forces of Imperiex during OWAW.

Suffice to say: writers rarely ever go there because they simply don't *need* to...

You missed a 3rd case, unless you have some interesting definitions and/or qualifications to add:

Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2.

doh

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You missed a 3rd case, unless you have some interesting definitions and/or qualifications to add:

Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2.

If he had she'd be dead.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You missed a 3rd case, unless you have some interesting definitions and/or qualifications to add:

Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2.

A brainwashed Superman isn't one that's in his right mind and consciously, not to mention effectively, dropping his mental blocks.

It isn't the same thing.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If he had she'd be dead.

Greg Rucka, DC writer of Sacrifice/Wonder Woman #219, Volume 2, says you're wrong:

“Basically, it comes down to the moment in #219 of making Superman believe from all of his senses, all of his perceptions, that Doomsday is killing Lois, and he is powerless to stop it,” Rucka said. “In that scenario, Kal sees Diana as Doomsday, and does not see Max at all. When he’s in this scenario, he’s held back from saving ‘Lois’ at first, but when he’s freed, he’s half out of his mind with grief and rage.”

What’s next? Two words: Ready? Fight!

“Diana comes looking for Kal, fearing the worst and hoping for the best,” Rucka said. “Fearing in that she has the kryptonite from the Batcave, and ‘hoping’ is that she won’t need to use it on her friend, and Max will listen to reason. But how likely is that?

“We now have a situation where Kal has no reason to hold back at all – every governor is off. He’s going to kill Doomsday, period. Dana doesn’t want to kill Kal, though – that’s the last thing she wasn’t to do, because Kal is not the problem. The problem is in Max, and she has to stop Max, one way or another. So, the fight is between two opponents whoa re at very cross purposes – Kal is hitting her with everything he has, and Diana has to do everything she can do to survive that, and move on from that, and get to Max. It’s a pretty grueling fight.”

And by “grueling,” Rucka means…grueling.

"One of the things I try to include when I write scenes or fights such as this is that I always want the fights to have an effect. I always go back to the O’Neil/Cowyan Question fights – the moves were logically placed, there was no banter, and at the end, people were hurt. That said, I approached it in that manner – if you’re Wonder Woman, and Superman comes at you with this, what are you only options to stop it? There aren’t many. If he comes at you with heat vision, you need to stop that. One way of stopping that is to shove your thumbs into his eyes. She may be one of the only people in the universe who could hope to do that with a hint of success, so does she do it? She has to.

“Neither of them comes out of this looking pretty.”

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=525118&pagenumber=7

Originally posted by -Pr-
A brainwashed Superman isn't one that's in his right mind and consciously, not to mention effectively, dropping his mental blocks.

It isn't the same thing.

If Muhammed Ali thought he was fighting Foreman when he was really up against Fraiser, I bet you he'd have problems. Because they're different kinds of fighters with a different style and set of skills.

If it were the same thing as Galan referred to as you so desperately want it to be, this would mean Wonder Woman>DOS Doomsday/Imperiex Probes. Good luck trying to argue that. 😆

Also, Kal broke Diana's wrist easily.

That implies a pretty big physical disadvantage, and a lucid Superman who knew it was merely Diana and not Doomaday could take advantage of that.

But he DIDN'T know it was Diana. He never would have imagine he could break Doomsdays bones by simply grabbing them. Instead, he was winding up with everything he had, slugging it out.

Which gives Diana more openings to use her defensive skills.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If it were the same thing as Galan referred to as you so desperately want it to be, this would mean Wonder Woman>DOS Doomsday/Imperiex Probes. Good luck trying to argue that.

Don't need to. I'm responding to what Galan wrote as he wrote it:

Originally posted by Galan007
For a point of reference: Superman has only dropped all(key word) of his self-imposed mental blocks and fully(key word) cut loose TWICE in his entire ~80 year character history...across hundredS of different titles...across thousandS of different appearances. The first time was against Doomsday during DoS; the second time was against the forces of Imperiex during OWAW.

Suffice to say: writers rarely ever go there because they simply don't *need* to. They can typically invoke varying degrees of PIS and whatnot to save the day if Superman alone cannot(which is a rarity in itself) -- that's what we saw during Lo3W when Supes summoned the entire LoSH to help fight Prime, for example...

Comics aren't written with your battleboard standards in mind, lol.

Interestingly, his last sentence in his quote illustrates why even Pr's statement isn't a counter. Greg Rucka, DC writer, wrote Superman with every governor off, all self-imposed mental blocks dropped, and fully cutting loose in Wonder Woman #219, perhaps later on he changed. Perhaps later on, even a month or a week later, he decided in some book it should be retconned. Perhaps some other writer did. But in the mind of Greg Rucka, Superman wasn't holding anything back, and Galan's statement as he wrote it, is wrong.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Don't need to. I'm responding to what Galan wrote as he wrote it:

Interestingly, his last sentence in his quote illustrates why even Pr's statement isn't a counter. Greg Rucka, DC writer, wrote Superman with every governor off, all self-imposed mental blocks dropped, and fully cutting loose in Wonder Woman #219, perhaps later on he changed. Perhaps later on, even a month or a week later, he decided in some book it should be retconned. Perhaps some other writer did. But in the mind of Greg Rucka, Superman wasn't holding anything back, and Galan's statement as he wrote it, is wrong.

Nowhere in the comic did it show the mental blocks were dropped. Your interview quote only has one thing that MIGHT be saying it.

Superman went from hurting his hands punching Doomsday and accomplishing nothing to beating Doomsday to death quickly while injured and fatigued.

Superman went from unable to damage Imperiex Probes with his fists and needing to combine heat vision and freeze breath to crack them, to casually busting all the way through with EITHER his heat vision or his fists.

You're arguing he made the same leap in WW #219. That's retarded, unless you think WW is superior to those two.....which you'll fail to support.

Also, interviews are inadmissible anyway.

When people talk out of ignorance and hate it is just a waste of time trying to reasoning with them.

It is funny Blue thinks Diana >>>>>>> Doomsday or Imperiex Probes 😂😂😂😂😂

Also Greg Rucka will be wrong if he thinks that Diana is >>>>>>> Doomsday or Imperiex Probes.

Maybe we should made a thread of Diana vs Imperiex Probes or Doomsday and watch Carver and Blue trying to defend Diana 😂😂😂😂😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, interviews are inadmissible anyway.

That minor detail too.

But who cares about rules? 👇

Originally posted by cdtm
That minor detail too.

But who cares about rules? 👇

Pak said Hulk >>>>>>>>>>> Galactus 😛

You noob!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, interviews are inadmissible anyway.

This might be relevant if I were trying to argue character A beats character B in a KMC versus thread. Here, though, I was merely responding to what Galan wrote as he wrote it. Period. And, again, as he wrote it, he's wrong.

Well no.

It's inadmissible as proof to back your claim up.

You claim he dropped all his mental blocks etc.

Rpoof? Interview said so. But if the proof is inadmissible....

Interview didn't even definitively say that's what happened. 😆