Originally posted by TheHulkster
Non-proof with your first scan, though you will search until you find something through the decades. No-sells don't count due to expectations of the punches not hurting. Especially gut shots that are braced for. Lots of characters do that. Hulk hater.
Depowered here though 😐
I love how circular some of the arguments are, though.
Carver and Hulkster have BOTH posted scans showing that YES, Superman does indeed have superspeed.
OK.
And then question, hey, if he has superspeed, how does he get hit?
Same way Captain Boomerang is a threat to Flash. I wonder how they'd take it if herald busting Batman was used...
Hey Carver, does WW have superstrength? I wonder why she was unable to KO Batman with a sucker punch, even when he was weakened, was not wearing his suit and she had the GoW amp?
Oh what's that? PIS? Oh....OK. The writers wanted to write a story where a nice long drawn out fight happens? Really? They didn't have editorial approval to have one side turn the other into a smear on the pavement? Really?
OK.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I love how circular some of the arguments are, though.Carver and Hulkster have BOTH posted scans showing that YES, Superman does indeed have superspeed.
OK.
And then question, hey, if he has superspeed, how does he get hit?
Same way Captain Boomerang is a threat to Flash. I wonder how they'd take it if herald busting Batman was used...
Hey Carver, does WW have superstrength? I wonder why she was unable to KO Batman with a sucker punch, even when he was weakened, was not wearing his suit and she had the GoW amp?
Oh what's that? PIS? Oh....OK. The writers wanted to write a story where a nice long drawn out fight happens? Really? They didn't have editorial approval to have one side turn the other into a smear on the pavement? Really?
OK.
Batman dodged heat vision even when it was already fired. Seemed like a quarter of the distance to Batman traveled. Superman still was too fast for Batman when it came to physical speed. And New 52 Superman was too fast for Batman as well. And this was before Superman remerging and all that jazz.
But Batman has hit Superman in the past, before FLASHPOINT. So Reborn Superman>Post-CRISIS Superman/Nu-Superman>Batman>Heat Vision in speed but also Batman>Superman in speed since Superman failed to avoid being hit. So.....Batman/>Reborn Superman>PC Superman/Nu Superman>Batman>Heat Vision?
Or we could just go--
Nah.
Batman has outreacted Hal Jordan and his ring, with its autoshields before:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/batman-can-take-green-lanterns-ring.jpg
So Batman > Hal.
Hal has tagged Zoom:
http://i.imgur.com/4NmB9xT.jpg
So Batman > Hal > Zoom.
Zoom has tagged Flash (I trust I don't need to post scans).
Batman>Hal>Zoom>Flash
All canon. Of course, if they had this speed, they'd use it, right? So I reckon none of them have superspeed. Or if they do, they wanted to avoid it, but were unable to.
We can do a Marvel comparison too, if we want. It involves Captain America.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah.Batman has outreacted Hal Jordan and his ring, with its autoshields before:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/batman-can-take-green-lanterns-ring.jpgSo Batman > Hal.
Hal has tagged Zoom:
http://i.imgur.com/4NmB9xT.jpgSo Batman > Hal > Zoom.
Zoom has tagged Flash (I trust I don't need to post scans).
Batman>Hal>Zoom>Flash
All canon. Of course, if they had this speed, they'd use it, right? So I reckon none of them have superspeed. Or if they do, they wanted to avoid it, but were unable to.
We can do a Marvel comparison too, if we want. It involves Captain America.
They couldn't avoid it so obviously they didn't have super speed. Or, they all have super speed so that's why they couldn't avoid it. 💃
I don't even understand how this is debatable. Yes, Superman gets tagged by people all the time, but he also has plenty of feats involving super speed.
So either you accept that a writers job is to entertain and he's not going to have Superman end every fight in a split second or you just ignore every single speed feat he has.
Can anyone think of any comic book characters that frequently appear in comics and have high end super speed and have never been hit by someone far slower than them?
Some writers think Hulk is as durable as Adamantium and have unlimited strength and have enough strength to have the ultimate being in Marvel be surprised at it. Do I ignore Hulk entire history and use this as a norm for the character? Superman wouldn't even be able to put a scratch on Hulk if we ignored 90% of Hulk history and just stayed with his powerset. His heat vision, freeze breath, all of it would be coming from a mosquito. That's if we stick to that small percentage of showings.
Originally posted by carver9
Some writers think Hulk is as durable as Adamantium and have unlimited strength and have enough strength to have the ultimate being in Marvel be surprised at it. Do I ignore Hulk entire history and use this as a norm for the character? Superman wouldn't even be able to put a scratch on Hulk if we ignored 90% of Hulk history and just stayed with his powerset. His heat vision, freeze breath, all of it would be coming from a mosquito. That's if we stick to that small percentage of showings.
You didn't comprehend his post at all. 😆
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Oh so we are now resorting to editoria/writer reasons? I can argue that since Surfer can go intangible, Superman would never hit him? J'onn beats Superman every time right?I didn't know this was CBR.
It almost sounds like you're upset these characters would actually behave intelligently. I'm not going to get into the Surfer debate again, but IMO when it comes to J'onn I think Superman is faster and could use his speed to overwhelm him before he does anything. A combination of heat vision and physical attacks.
However, if we were to say they are equals in speed I would say J'onn going intangible to avoid harm would be fair game. The fact of the matter is some powers are just very broken.
