Loebforce Rulk versus DOS Doomsday

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does it take so long years for him to escape? Could it be due to the lack of solar energy? Plus, the Earth's surface does absorb solar energy, so some probably reaches him.

Since comicbook DD is not, to my knowledge, Kryptonian, he wouldn't necessarily require yellow sunlight and my understanding is that New Genesis has some sort of sun. Superman doesn't lose his powers when he goes to Apokalips.

Superman weakens on Apokolips.

Moreover, DDwas also wrapped in Calatonian burial garments and chained up, so even less (none?) Would reach him.

Originally posted by Galan007
I have always maintained that it seems *possible* based on Bertron's statement. However, DD progressively becoming more powerful in DoS via absorbing sunlight was NEVER mentioned/implied anywhere on panel, thus is it NOT a canon fact -- it is merely an OPINION I came up with on my own.

Get your shit together. srsly

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does it take so long years for him to escape? Could it be due to the lack of solar energy?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Plus, the Earth's surface does absorb solar energy, so some probably reaches him.

Doomsday was buried hundreds/thousands of feet underground, was contained inside a sealed cubical prison comprised of a very thick metal, AND covered from head to toe in a Calatonian burial shroud. Absolutely NO sunlight reached him, lol.

You would have burden of proof that Doomsdays power is derived from sunlight.

Nourishment, especially in the context used, describing his natural cycle of not needing to breath, sleep or eat, doesn't help that argument.

It fuels his body, but not his power in the way of a kryptonian. There is zero evidence of this.

His power is specifically written to be drawn from his adaptability and evolution powers.

Originally posted by Juntai
You would have burden of proof that Doomsdays power is derived from sunlight.

Nourishment, especially in the context used, describing his natural cycle of not needing to breath, sleep or eat, doesn't help that argument.

It fuels his body, but not his power in the way of a kryptonian. There is zero evidence of this.

His power is specifically written to be drawn from his adaptability and evolution powers.

So what about in the context of the Countdown bio which states that stored energy from solar rays fuel his "superstrong" body?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So what about in the context of the Countdown bio which states that stored energy from solar rays fuel his "superstrong" body?

If he can be drained in the way you're trying to argue, why is it saying that after "does not need to eat or breathe?" All indications are it supporting he just gets nourishment from solar energy.

And are you actually debating fairly, or do you just want Rulk to win?

The Countdown bio doesn't say anything that Bertron already didn't. srsly

Yes, solar radiation "nourishes" Doomsday to *some* ambiguous extent... But it is clearly NOT a *requirement* to sustain his overall power/survival, as he has functioned perfectly fine without it... ON PANEL. Doomsday's biology =/= Superman's, ffs.

What's not computing here?

Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday's biology =/= Superman's, ffs.

Doomsday's evolutionary ability working without needing him to get inside the sun should be proof enough that he gets more powerful independent of how much solar energy he has in his cells.

Iirc DD is not even Kryptonian.

But now they are trying to give him a kryptonian weakness? Based on what?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Iirc DD is not even Kryptonian.

But now they are trying to give him a kryptonian weakness? Based on what?

It was, in fact, a plot point in Doomsday Rex that he had been regrown using kryptonian DNA after OWAW, and thus why he had the kryptonite weakness. Any prior version was completely different.

The countdown bio seems to have gone further than Bertron seeing as how it states that solar radiation "fuels his super strong body" as opposed to just "nourished by solar energy that he can store"...

Also says that he cannot be killed the same way twice.

So he's now immune to being physically beaten to death? But of course, that would be heresy! Logic dictates yadda yadda yadda.

Originally posted by Delta1938

The comic does not say he's powered by solar energy. To argue he gets his strength by solar energy is a circular argument. The best you can argue Rulk would do would be he gives Doomsday the munchies.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You're splitting hairs significantly here.
Are you just wanting Doomsday to win and will go by any means necessary?

Careful -- you might even make Delta himself aware of what he's actually doing if you ask him questions like that.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Iirc DD is not even Kryptonian.

But now they are trying to give him a kryptonian weakness? Based on what?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
He is Kryptonian but his species isn't "Kryptonian" like Superman's is. He's like a Neanderthal to Superman's Homo sapien

No.

He's like J'onn J'onzz to Superman's Homo.

Berty took an infant who was not native to Krypton.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The countdown bio seems to have gone further than Bertron seeing as how it states that solar radiation "fuels his super strong body" as opposed to just "nourished by solar energy that he can store"...

See, this is exactly why we do not rely solely on bios as though they represent incontrovertible fact -- more often than not, they are sharply contradicted by on panel showings. Unless the bio in question is in alignment with on panel showings, then it's entirely worthless as evidence... And this is a prime example.

On panel feats/statements > bio entries.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No.

He's like J'onn J'onzz to Superman's Homo.

Berty took an infant who was not native to Krypton.

http://i.imgur.com/H7ix5dZ.jpg

Bertron further went on to say there was "nothing special" about the infant -- implying that he wasn't even from a noteworthy race/species.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No.

He's like J'onn J'onzz to Superman's Homo.

Berty took an infant who was not native to Krypton.

another thing is that Bertron said that the sunlight would keep him nourished for a thousand years but Doomsday can I guess be malnourished for 250 times that especially if he is almost dead after fighting the Radiant

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Iirc DD is not even Kryptonian.

But now they are trying to give him a kryptonian weakness? Based on what?

So did you even read the post below?:

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Since comicbook DD is not, to my knowledge, Kryptonian, he wouldn't necessarily require yellow sunlight and my understanding is that New Genesis has some sort of sun. Superman doesn't lose his powers when he goes to Apokalips.

Thus you are making a straw man argument since no one has declared Doomsday to be Kryptonian and I wonder if you feel that only Kryptonians are allowed to be fueled by solar energy. I mean the basis that you ask for comes from the dialogue of the books.

Originally posted by Galan007
...Except we KNOW it doesn't play any sort of major role in 'fueling' DD, because he's functioned perfectly fine WITHOUT the added 'nourishment' of solar radiation, on panel.

See, this is exactly why we do not rely solely on bios as though they represent incontrovertible fact -- more often than not, they are sharply contradicted by on panel showings. Unless the bio in question is in alignment with on panel showings, then it's entirely worthless as evidence... And this is a prime example.

On panel feats/statements > bio entries.

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http://i.imgur.com/H7ix5dZ.jpg

Bertron further went on to say there was "nothing special" about the infant -- implying that he wasn't even from a noteworthy race/species.

Of course, on panel statements are being used and used logically. You're trying to extrapolate meaning from Doomsday's time after losing to Radiant to offset what is clearly stated in his shown origin. If we want to come up with creative reasons, one can say that enough stored energy remained in his body to eventually revive him and since DD was not moving, there was no real expenditure. We can all dream things up, but we can't ignore what is stated in print. The assertion that DD has no energy to be drained has been shown to be false.

Plus, we know that Doomsday's origin was thought up and implemented after DOS, so based on you guys' very generous use of the term, one can say that any previous contradictions to the origin were retconned.

And as stated earlier, no one has said that Doomsday is Kryptonian.

None of this means that Rulk wins, loses, draws, etc. What it means is that you can't discard the extreme energy drain portrayal given by Loeb. It's fair game.

It is annoying beyond belief when TurboImageHost does what it's doing this week. Not yet as bad as when I started here years ago, but I'd gotten lulled by the ease and reliability of the service to such a point that my old way of posting is nearly intolerable to me now.

Anyway, I perused some of Doomsday Hunter/Prey as Salsa suggested and noted the sections where Doomsday went against Radiant. Noticed something of interest:

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Radiant attacked DD with what is described as " pure energy".

Interestingly, he seems to have killed DD by completely overloading his body with energy, as their battle lasted days:

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... whereupon, of course, Doomsday was suited as we saw him to begin the Death of Superman storyline ...

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This is interesting because, of course, sunlight IS radiant energy.

And DD's body being overloaded by energy means he would have had a LOT of energy stored to sustain himself once he resurrected.

Enough to go well beyond the one millennia mark a small meal of energy would permit? Many times that?

Worth a mention.