Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's nice to see New Jersey has labeled Antifa a domestic terrorist organization.
good for us! as long as it's even-handed, i'm cool with it 👆
also on the domestic terrorism list:
TRADITIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST ORGANIZATIONS ATTEMPT TO “REBRAND”
https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/the-face-of-white-supremacy-in-2017
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm no fan of white supremacy, and I'm more than willing to admit this radical bullshit isn't unique to the right or left, so good for New Jersey. 👆
Indeed and you aren't alone: nobody here has really argued that white supremacy is good or that both sides do not pull this bullshit. It's just a strawman tactic folk use.
So it's good Antifa was given a proper label. I'd suggest to them they change their name too, because "anti fascists" doesn't describe them at all.
These people set up a "training center" in Chicago lol. No doubt it teaches important lessons like running away from crowds and walking around with an undeserved sense of accomplishment.
I'm almost tempted to check it out, I wonder what they might teach. Perhaps the proper way to wield a bicycle lock in combat.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes the antifa people who call themselves anti-fascists as a means of demonizing their political opponents as fascists to justify the use of violence to silence them (totally not a fascist tactic) are the people who should be respected and defended because they identify as anti-fascist.
When people are openly advocating for your genocide or the genocide of others, then you have a right to demonize those people.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
When people are openly advocating for your genocide or the genocide of others, then you have a right to demonize those people.
2. They use unethical methods against their political adversaries. Recently the NYC Antifa twitter started Doxxing people, revealing their names, personal information and addresses. They also have a very large history of using violence against their political opponents, with the two confrontations at Berkeley among others being examples. They've even attacked police officers before. A particularly large antifa group BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) had one of its leaders openly advocating in interviews for militant action and violence against their political adversaries, and there have been reports from former members that BAMN functions essentially as a cult, drawing people in and using cult like methods to prevent them from leaving. And Antifa stands in direct opposition to their political opponents even having the right to speak, they're philosophy is that they must be silenced rather than outdebated.
Even if they only did this to legitimate neonazis it is still unethical. Somebody believing in a fascist ideology is not a justification to illegally physically assault them or release their personal information so they can be tracked down and assaulted by others. Let me repeat that, it is not ethical to physically assault someone because of a thought crime. Aside from that though, most of the people they oppose aren't even neonazis or fascists.
These people are not remotely ethical, and it almost disturbs me that so many people are fooled into thinking that a group which uses fascistic violent and unethical methods are an upstanding group of people just because they claim to be anti-fascists.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Except 1. They also target and demonize those who don't even advocate for genocide... basically anyone who supports Trump, which even though I hate the Trump administration, the vast majority of Trump supporters don't believe in genocide.2. They use unethical methods against their political adversaries. Recently the NYC Antifa twitter started Doxxing people, revealing their names, personal information and addresses. They also have a very large history of using violence against their political opponents, with the two confrontations at Berkeley among others being examples. They've even attacked police officers before. A particularly large antifa group BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) had one of its leaders openly advocating in interviews for militant action and violence against their political adversaries, and there have been reports from former members that BAMN functions essentially as a cult, drawing people in and using cult like methods to prevent them from leaving. And Antifa stands in direct opposition to their political opponents even having the right to speak, they're philosophy is that they must be silenced rather than outdebated.
Even if they only did this to legitimate neonazis it is still unethical. Somebody believing in a fascist ideology is not a justification to illegally physically assault them or release their personal information so they can be tracked down and assaulted by others. Let me repeat that, it is not ethical to physically assault someone because of a thought crime. Aside from that though, most of the people they oppose aren't even neonazis or fascists.
These people are not remotely ethical, and it almost disturbs me that so many people are fooled into thinking that a group which uses fascistic violent and unethical methods are an upstanding group of people just because they claim to be anti-fascists.
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To the average person, this isn't an ideology thing at all. It's a bunch of assholes attacking another group of assholes.
I absolutely despise the Westboro Baptist Church. I'd still condemn anyone who physically assaults one of their members.
The majority of neo-"nazi's" don't even believe in genocide. They just think, at the very least, the borders need to be closed. The alt right are probably one of the most compassionate groups on the planet. Because they understand that love is a false concept unless some things are loved more than others.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Except 1. They also target and demonize those who don't even advocate for genocide... basically anyone who supports Trump, which even though I hate the Trump administration, the vast majority of Trump supporters don't believe in genocide.2. They use unethical methods against their political adversaries. Recently the NYC Antifa twitter started Doxxing people, revealing their names, personal information and addresses. They also have a very large history of using violence against their political opponents, with the two confrontations at Berkeley among others being examples. They've even attacked police officers before. A particularly large antifa group BAMN (By Any Means Necessary) had one of its leaders openly advocating in interviews for militant action and violence against their political adversaries, and there have been reports from former members that BAMN functions essentially as a cult, drawing people in and using cult like methods to prevent them from leaving. And Antifa stands in direct opposition to their political opponents even having the right to speak, they're philosophy is that they must be silenced rather than outdebated.
Even if they only did this to legitimate neonazis it is still unethical. Somebody believing in a fascist ideology is not a justification to illegally physically assault them or release their personal information so they can be tracked down and assaulted by others. Let me repeat that, it is not ethical to physically assault someone because of a thought crime. Aside from that though, most of the people they oppose aren't even neonazis or fascists.
These people are not remotely ethical, and it almost disturbs me that so many people are fooled into thinking that a group which uses fascistic violent and unethical methods are an upstanding group of people just because they claim to be anti-fascists.
Bingo.