Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody ignores it, they just do not see it as remotely coming close to a justification for strapping bombs to children.
Let me ask you something Surt. What's the best kind of fiction? Shallow tales of good guys and bad guys, or complex tales of character? Its obviously the latter, and that's because the latter is more true. People are complex and it is their subjective interpretation of the events and concepts of life that defines their behavior.
There is no religious book on planet Earth that can completely control ones behavior, which you claim the horrid religion of Islam does. If people are willing to do horrible things, there is a mix of situational, dispositional, and systemic factors involved.
I always figured you as smart, and as such I thought that you would have heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments, which pretty much are explaining the things I'm trying to tell you. Clearly you either haven't or you're not smart enough to associate those experiments with the violence of our world. Probably why you voted for a terrorist funding idiot who doesn't know shit about the countries whose heads of state he's meeting and hasn't said JACK SHIT about this attack.
Also, if you don't think seeing your loved one die from an air strike can motivate you to become a suicidal extremist, you clearly have no understanding of the human psyche.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Let me ask you something Surt. What's the best kind of fiction? Shallow tales of good guys and bad guys, or complex tales of character? Its obviously the latter, and that's because the latter is more true. People are complex and it is their subjective interpretation of the events and concepts of life that defines their behavior.There is no religious book on planet Earth that can completely control ones behavior, which you claim the horrid religion of Islam does. If people are willing to do horrible things, there is a mix of situational, dispositional, and systemic factors involved.
I always figured you as smart, and as such I thought that you would have heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments, which pretty much are explaining the things I'm trying to tell you. Clearly you either haven't or you're not smart enough to associate those experiments with the violence of our world. Probably why you voted for a terrorist funding idiot who doesn't know shit about the countries whose heads of state he's meeting and hasn't said JACK SHIT about this attack.
Also, if you don't think seeing your loved one die from an air strike can motivate you to become a suicidal extremist, you clearly have no understanding of the human psyche.
You keep making excuses. All the while acting like your are intellectually superior when your posts betray otherwise. Did you think if typed a long enough reply it would make more sense?
Stop with the bullshit. You use strawmans, hypocrisy, and lies in your arguments. Most of the very few posters here agreeing with you would agree with mostly anyone talking shit about me, but you and I know the truth, don't we? Since we've had long discussions before and I know your behavior and the tactics you use. So just remember: take an pats on the back here with a grain of salt.
One reason I can't take you seriously is because of the lies and strawmans you pull. Which gives you no room to talk shit about others. You like to run around calling me a hypocrite, but are shockingly silent about other hypocrites that happen to swing to the side of liberals. Is that on purpose or are you naive enough to think they aren't hypocrites?
Originally posted by Lestov16
You didnt address a thing in my post. Have you heard of the Millgram and Stanford experiments?Also, that post of yours is just one giant hilarious block of failed ad hominems. Mark of someone who has lost a debate
So wait, you just said this with a straight face? After coming at someone with strawmans and lies, you said this? Truly? I mean I know the people patting you on the back conveniently ignored those, but did you expect me to do so? They might be here to cuck for you, but I am not, so that will not be happening, okay?
But let me guess, your strawmans and lies are, for some magical reason, not the mark of someone who has lost? Right Lest, it's different?
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
and the strength of Lestov's arguments.. and the lack of Surt's intellect 😆
Okay again just to be clear Steve: you can cheer all you want, but it doesn't actually alter reality. Cheer leading about someone being caked and baked or their intellect is just that: cheerleading.
Originally posted by Lestov16
HAVE.YOU.HEARD.OF.THE.MILLGRAM.OR.STANFORD.EXPERIMENTS? Are you going to dodge this question for a third time?
You see I was kinda hoping, by repeating it MULTIPLE TIMES you would comment on your bullshit strawman tactics.
EDIT: Though yep lol, heard of them, and before you even try: nope, they don't prove anything you're trying to say.
Originally posted by Lestov16Are you making an assumption that this experiment would yield the same results without the pressure of the one on one element? That variable seems far higher than the authority pressure variable.
HAVE.YOU.HEARD.OF.THE.MILLGRAM.OR.STANFORD.EXPERIMENTS? Are you going to dodge this question for a third time?
At least in my humble opinion.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The problem Surt is your hypocrisy/ignorance. If you truly cared about stopping Islamic terror, you would realize that Islamic terror, just like all other terror attacks, gang attacks, racism, and pretty much all atrocties throughout history, including this one, is not caused by any inherent concepts of ideologies, but rather a mixture of PERSONAL embitterment and/or SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the ideology by the practitioner. Some violent people just have violent tendencies. Some may have had
actual or perceived traumatic backgrounds that caused embitterment. Some grow up in conditions where either harsh Darwinist living and/or casual human rights violations are the norm of societal conditions.The thing is that anybody with violent intentions can twist an ideology to justify their violence. Its clear in passages of the Bible and Koran that both were used during antiquity as tools for conquest and oppression. The cure for this is compassion and understanding in order to separate those who want peace from those who are violent. The problem is that you support Trump, who does the opposite of this by dehumanizing the entire "horrid" religion of Islam and then funding the violence with $118 billion.
Also, you ignore the embitterment that Muslims obviously have considering we're continuing to wage violence in their countries. What do you think happens to the children and loved ones of innocents who die in U.S. airstrikes? Radical warlords and terrorists use religion as a tool of power to promise revenge for these traumatized people, who in turn use religion as a tool for their embitterment. How do you think Ayatollah Khoemini overthrew Iran. He used Islam as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by the atrocities of the Shah. This is how all violent ideologies thrive. Gangs use this method, using the ideology of gang identity rather than religion as a tool of power to brainwash those embittered by poverty. Hitler used this method to rule Nazi Germany. Buddhists are becoming terrorists. As Phillip Zambardo stated, the cause of evil comes from a mix of dispositional, situational, and systemic conditions.
You want to stop the effect of Islamic terror but you refuse to see the complex cause, ignoring it and going with the false but more simplistic belief that the entire religion is inherently evil. If you did see the complex cause, you would become pissed not at the Islamic religion (whose peaceful practioners are constantly marching against, fighting, and being attacked by terrorists and human rights violating regimes) but at the people funding the radicals who use Islam as a tool of oppression and terrorism, AKA Trump (the guy you voted for) giving billions to the most powerful radical Islamic state on the planet (whose terrorists committed 9/11, the ultimate Islamic terror attack) despite his Islamophobic scaremongering (which has scared his dumbass supporters into viewing the entire religion as "horrid", meaning that they're cowards whom the terrorists managed to successfully terrorize) which creates Anti-Western embitterment that allows radicals to keep recruiting and a distrust of secular values, which keeps the religion from progressing.
Its horrifically devious how ignorant Islamic radicals are funded and wise moderates (such as the thousands who marched against ISIS just recently, or the imam, whose "horrid religion", caused him to protect Osborne during his arrest) are silenced. Both the warlords and dictators of third world countries that primarily produce and the greedy plutocratic politicians of first world countries that primarily consume are able to profit from the needless competitive tribalism, no matter the cost of the lives and livelihoods of the millions of innocent victims, as the fear is used to spread ignorance in order to demand unquestioning blind loyalty and obedience from their constituencies. The Saudis, ISIS, and Trump are clearly doing this, and yet you chose to ignore it.
And while you can argue that all prior presidents did this, the argument for Trump's candidacy was that he was unlike any of the past president due to his inexperience (aka INCOMPETENCE) with politics and his wealth meaning he wouldn't have a need to be a plutocratic politician and would take the right steps to stop radical Islam. These arguments turned out to be absolute bullshit. And yet you fail to hold either him or yourself accountable for buying his bullshit, which makes you look like the ultimate foolish pawn.
So quite simply, Surt, every time you attack Islam as "horrid", yet don't attack Trump even harder, you show a, well, deplorable amount of hypocrisy and ignorance.
And Again, if you think it's just Islam that incites violence, look at this attack. Any ideology can become "horrid" if the person wants it to be. If you want to stop future attacks like the Finsbury Park attack, you need to understand this.
Complete ownage.
Originally posted by Robtard
Instead of being a vitriol spitting hypocrite, Surt. What don't you really read what Lestov tried to imbue onto you and change yourself for the better.
Unfortunately the ignorant and the haters don't like or want to change for the better.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Uchiha_Macho is that same troll who keeps making accounts here, saying ****ed up shit and getting banned. I've mentioned before that he was originally a user named Intrepid in the Star Wars section of the forum
He's Intrepid? I don't remember Intrepid being so messed up.
Originally posted by Surtur
No not triggered, just wondering why a post with strawmans and lies is something a person should want to imbue themselves with.
Lestov's post had neither strawman arguments nor lies. You on the other hand do nothing but personally attack the poster as a form of rebuttal which shows your weakness. In the very least destroy/counter the other person's points first and then end it with an insult.
Originally posted by Lestov16
He's not going to do that Rob. He's using the classic Nazi tactic of "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty". That's what makes him hilarious. He hates Islam yet supports Terrorist Funder Trump.
After visiting SA and sucking on the King's swollen anus, Trump had this to say in regards to Islam:
"One of world's great faiths." -Trump
That must sting all Trumpers.