My point of concern wasn't that the Nazi party was rising in Poland; I don't think it is (is it?), it was more towards authoritarian regimes and their small beginnings. Where no one takes them seriously at first, then 10-15 years later you have a dictator in power and human rights go out the window.
Oh, I see. But at this point it is such a wild speculation that it does not even warrant a serious debate, mainly because there is no material to work with, really.
Truth to be told, I am actually foreseeing an extension of political power when it comes to the rulling party Law and Justice (center-right). This is the most probable outcome in Poland in the following years (decades?).
Originally posted by Robtard
My point of concern wasn't that the Nazi party was rising in Poland; I don't think it is (is it?), it was more towards authoritarian regimes and their small beginnings. Where no one takes them seriously at first, then 10-15 years later you have a dictator in power and human rights go out the window.
Interstingly Rob, most people consider the Polish Government far right.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/the-party-that-wants-to-make-poland-great-again.html
https://news.vice.com/story/poland-populist-government-far-right-extremism
75.000 far right Poles marched last year
http://nypost.com/2016/11/11/75000-far-right-nationalists-march-on-polands-independence-day/
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Interstingly Rob, most people consider the Polish Government far right.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
[B75.000 far right Poles marched last year [/B]
You seem to confuse nationalism with avid patriotism. This is an independence day march btw. What did you expect?
"This movement promotes the exclusion of all minorities and of everyone who isn’t Polish enough," said Rafal Pankowski, the head of Never Again, an organization that monitors and fights racism and extremism -snip
75,000 is no small number, they have an army. The Polish government better watch itself, unless this is exactly what it wants?
Well, Pankowski is a liberal leftist, so obviously he is opposed to any right-wing manifestations. He is also not above smearing other political views, as seen in the quote posted.
Rob, if you're interested I recommned my previous post on the government policies.
BTW the march was reported to be 150,000 in some sources. Not sure why the number here is twice as small.
Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and an important part of social and cultural tradition and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).
Not to say there are not some crazies that attend (tend to be pacified by the police anyway, if needed).
Pankowski's comments are pure trash aimed as a political strike. Not that it has to be disproved, really, but the welcoming policy of the Polish government towards Ukrianian refugees is proof enough that he is talking out of his ass.
BTW That is worth remembering is that in various estimations Poland welcomed somewhere between 1 million to 1.5 million of Ukrainians running away from the conflict with Russia.
Originally posted by Stigma
Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).
So it's only the East that understands it properly? O.K. I understand why Poland has such strong Nationalism, it's a small country that has historically always been bullied by the regional powers. It's the perfect breeding ground for the far right, when you consider Geography and History.
Originally posted by StigmaYeah, sucks that a smaller vile group can sour something for the larger peaceful group. Happens here too, in peaceful marches, protests and gatherings.
Independence marches are made up by people who feel patriotic pride, basically. In Poland patriotism is strong and an important part of social and cultural tradition and is understood as healthy nationalism (something that in the West is quite misunderstood).Not to say there are not some crazies that attend (tend to be pacified by the police anyway, if needed).
Pankowski's comments are pure trash aimed as a political strike. Not that it has to be disproved, really, but the welcoming policy of the Polish government towards Ukrianian refugees is proof enough that he is talking out of his ass.
BTW That is worth remembering is that in various estimations Poland welcomed somewhere between 1 million to 1.5 million of Ukrainians running away from the conflict with Russia.
I've read that the 'welcome Ukraine' stance has more to do with Poland being defiant of Russia and it's ever encroaching ways, than altruistic reasons for the plight of the Ukrainians. Not sure how true that is, but it doesn't sound like an insane claim.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
So it's only the East that understands it properly? O.K. I understand why Poland has such strong Nationalism, it's a small country that has historically always been bullied by the regional powers. It's the perfect breeding ground for the far right, when you consider Geography and History.
Historically, it's not that simple. Poland was a European super-power longer than United States exist. Now it's on its way to become a regional power.
Originally posted by Stigma
Umm, 5th largest country in Europe, 2 or 3rd army (iirc) Not that bad. mmmHistorically, it's not that simple. Poland was a European super-power longer than United States exist. Now it's on its way to become a regional power.
It's been invaded by almost everyone.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, sucks that a smaller vile group can sour something for the larger peaceful group. Happens here too, in peaceful marches, protests and gatherings.
Originally posted by Robtard
I've read that the 'welcome Ukraine' stance has more to do with Poland being defiant of Russia and it's ever encroaching ways, than altruistic reasons for the plight of the Ukrainians. Not sure how true that is, but it doesn't sound like an insane claim.
In short, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.
Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?That woudl be an unwarranted doubt in Polish hospitality. And it does sound like an insae claim, actually 👆
In shorrt, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.
Come on man chill, I've noticed loads of typo's lately from you.
The above is a litany.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
It's been invaded by almost everyone.
It is also the only nation that defeated Russian Empire (where Napoleon and Hitler failed), defeated Bolshevik Russia (1920), defeated Ottoman Empire numerous times (most remarkably at the gates of Vienna 1683) and had the longest, most dedicated resistance during WWII and Communist occupation.
Not to mention overthrowing Communism as the first nation in Europe. 👆
Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?That woudl be an unwarranted doubt in Polish hospitality. And it does sound like an insae claim, actually 👆
In shorrt, Poland, a country of 40 milion welcomes 1.5 milion Ukrainian refugees. Germany, a country of 80 milion struggles to welcome 1 million Muslim refugees. Weird.
Recent example the protest in Berkeley, it was peaceful until a smaller group of turds looking for trouble came in and ruined it for everyone. Then all the protestors gets lumped in the rotten group. The BLM marches, the majority of the people marching are peaceful, then you get a few turds who throw rocks, burns cars, loot stores etc.
I'm not in Poland, so I don't know. Just know that Poland has an uneasy relationship with Russia and I don't blame Poland looking out for its best interest in regards to Russia.
Curious though, if Poland has an open arms policy with refugees, why the lack of altruism with Muslim refugees?
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
And everyone elseWe've come to your rescue a few times I believe...
In any case, your remark about small country was misinformed, apparently.