Originally posted by darthbane77
It doesn't prove the blurbs' lack of canonical status. What it DOES prove, is that nobody can argue that the blurb(s) are inarguable facts. By Chee's own word, it's subjective, meaning the viewer gets to decide whether they agree on the blurb when comparing it to other sources.
So nothing has changed, cause people have been doing that anyway.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
mmm
Even if I were generous enough to grant that comparison, that's still not true. Plagueis's cosmic accomplishment required him and Sidious and a couple of months. Vitiate's required eight thousand Sith Lords and fourteen centuries. So not only was there a ritual involved, so too were teamups.
Yes, it did take a boatload of shit to make Vitiate the factual most powerful and dominating Force sensitive to eve live up to his time.
However, Vitiate was never, as far as I know, actively trying to imbalance the Force. The ritual - the 8,000 Sith Lords - so on and so fourth, was all to make Vitiate more powerful on personal level and grant quasi immortality. He was never actively trying to participate in a tug-of-war with the Force, or it's agents. The effect Vitiate had on the Force's balance, or anything related to it, and what not, was strictly a by-product of his powers and insidious deeds, not the crux.
My point is: Vitiate was such an iniquitous anomaly in the Force, that the omnipresent energy field felt the need to spawn a prophesied champion of light, a thousands years in the making Plagueis and Sidious had much greater results and a significant more potent affect on the galaxy, but that was their goal they prepped for it, they sought it out and tried with all their might , and it was a shared feat that can't be just handed to one or the other.
Vitiate on the other hand greatly affected the Force by simply, and essentially, being him, and not trying to defy particularly.
All I'm saying is, given the circumstances, I don't know how, or why people see that as the definitive Plagueis > all but Sidious argument. Vitiate never tried to unbalance the Force, but he never wanted to - his ultimate goal was to absorb the entire galaxy and the Force with it.
Originally posted by The_TempestSpoiler:
i know you said you were trying to help them, but i'm kinda worried they are rubbing off on u and not the other way around.
You worry too much, my experiment won't be in vain. 🙂
Originally posted by Deronn_solostill peddlin'
Yes, it did take a boatload of shit to make Vitiate the factual most powerful and dominating Force sensitive to eve live up to his time.However, Vitiate was never, as far as I know, actively trying to imbalance the Force. The ritual - the 8,000 Sith Lords - so on and so fourth, was all to make Vitiate more powerful on personal level and grant quasi immortality. He was never actively trying to participate in a tug-of-war with the Force, or it's agents. The effect Vitiate had on the Force's balance, or anything related to it, and what not, was strictly a by-product of his powers and insidious deeds, not the crux.
My point is: Vitiate was such an iniquitous anomaly in the Force, that the omnipresent energy field felt the need to spawn a prophesied champion of light, a thousands years in the making Plagueis and Sidious had much greater results and a significant more potent affect on the galaxy, but that was their goal they prepped for it, they sought it out and tried with all their might , and it was a shared feat that can't be just handed to one or the other.
Vitiate on the other hand greatly affected the Force by simply, and essentially, being him, and not trying to defy particularly.All I'm saying is, given the circumstances, I don't know how, or why people see that as the definitive Plagueis > all but Sidious argument. Vitiate never tried to unbalance the Force, but he never wanted to - his ultimate goal was to absorb the entire galaxy and the Force with it.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Going to need a quote.
The Force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness and destruction. It is inevitable that a champion of the light will one day rise to oppose him. I may be that champion.
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
The Force wouldn't spawn the HoT, a prophesied champion of light to destroy Vitiate if it's balance wasn't in danger, or tipped in the darksides favor.
We can adhere to Beni's belief that it is just Revan opinion, but I don't see a reason too Revan was right about the a champion rising to kill Vitiate, as confirmed by Scourge:
In that time, much could happen. Revan had spoken of another champion who would rise; Scourge had seen that champion in his final vision. Blessed with eternal life, Scourge would serve faithfully at the Emperor’s side, biding his time as he waited for that champion to emerge from the mists of time.While serving, he would study the Emperor. He would learn everything about him. He would come to understand his strengths and weaknesses so that when the time came, he could help Revan’s prophesied champion destroy the Emperor once and for all.
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
Revan was correct about a champion rising and ending Vitiate hence his death of Dramond Kaas, so I see no reason for him to be wrong on the balance bit when the entire reason he predicted a champion is because Vitiate is such a potent agent of darkness.
But whatever, you can take this for what you will, but that is the way I interpet the text and such.
Vitiate didn't die on Dromund Kaas, he was killed by the smuglander. So we have a prophecy that amounts to the opinion of two guys, on a thing that never actually happened. 😘
Originally posted by Deronn_soloLike I said, even if you take Revan's word at face value, the idea that Vitiate unbalanced the galaxy is no where said i.e made up. 👆
We can adhere to Beni's belief that it is just Revan opinion, but I don't see a reason too Revan was right about the a champion rising to kill Vitiate, as confirmed by Scourge
Originally posted by darthbane77
It doesn't prove the blurbs' lack of canonical status. What it DOES prove, is that nobody can argue that the blurb(s) are inarguable facts. By Chee's own word, it's subjective, meaning the viewer gets to decide whether they agree on the blurb when comparing it to other sources.
Somebody was intelligent enough to get it. 👆
The blurb is canon, but not a statement of fact, it's subjective and absolutely not definitive.
But hey, I was wondering what kind of BS spin they'd try to pull this time.
To be fair, this is Karma.
Those who stood by the #blurbsarefacts agenda did so on the basis of Leeland Chee's broader comments regarding the continuity. For those same people to come out and argue his statements on the subjectivity of specific blurbs are bullshit, makes the first point redundant anyway. It's a self for-filling prophecy.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vitiate didn't die on Dromund Kaas, he was killed by the smuglander. So we have a prophecy that amounts to the opinion of two guys, on a thing that never actually happened. 😘
Like I said, even if you take Revan's word at face value, the idea that Vitiate unbalanced the galaxy is no where said i.e made up. 👆
Technically, he did "kill' Vitiate. Vitiate's influence over the galaxy never the same since his defeat. I don't actually consider his Valkorion incarnation an actual Sith, and neither did Valkorion himself, so it stands to me.
Alternately, a case could be made that the Outlander is, in fact, The Hero of Tython, thus beyond a doubt fulfilling prophecy.
Like I said, even if you take Revan's word at face value, the idea that Vitiate unbalanced the galaxy is no where said i.e made up. 👆
Vitiate threatened the omnipresent energy field that binds the galaxy together in the Force, ergo he threatened the balance of the galaxy by proxy.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, I recall pointing out the the HoT is no less special than various other champions throughout the ages. You had no response. ❌
Except their arrivals weren't prophoseid, or stated to be, the Force's direct response to counteract an agent of darkness o Vitiate caliber.
You were just grasping straws to save face, at that point.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, if Vitiate threatened the omnipresent energy field that bounds the galaxy together in the Force, ergo he threatened the balance of the galaxy by proxy.
Obviously you're not clinically retarded enough to be suggesting that threatening the balance of the galaxy after thousands of years and only with immense help is equal to actually unbalancing the galaxy... so could you please clarify for little old me? 🙂
Originally posted by Deronn_soloNo, that's not killing. 😬
Technically, he did "kill' Vitiate. Vitiate's influence over the galaxy never the same since his defeat. I don't actually consider his Valkorion incarnation an actual Sith, and neither did Valkorion himself, so it stands to me.
Alternately, a case could be made that the Outlander is, in fact, The Hero of Tython, thus beyond a doubt fulfilling prophecy.Right, so the concept works if we follow KMC head canon, and pretend words don't mean what they mean.
Yeah, if Vitiate threatened the omnipresent energy field that bounds the galaxy together in the Force, ergo he threatened the balance of the galaxy by proxy.Threatening balance =/= upsetting the balance, you work out which is more impressive.
EDIT: Ninja'ed.
Except their arrivals weren't prophoseid, or stated to be, the Force's directresponse to counteract an agent of darkness o Vitiate caliber.No, you just missed the point. That the act of the Force directing a champion to take down a threatening evil isn't that uncommon. Whether or not someone had a vision of it, which happen all the time.You were just grasping straws to save face, at that point.
Revan literally states that it's inevitable champions will rise up to face agents of the dark side, this is not hard to grasp.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Not what I was claiming my lovely. Read my second reply to Temp for clarification, pls.Edit: Ninja'd by Beni.
Except you claim Vitiate unbalanced the force (or 'greatly affected it'😉, and then in your justification only go as far as to claim he threatened it.
Hence the need for clarification mmm