It'd be pretty shameful for you to get your ass handed to you in every thread by a 'retard', fortunately for you, your bravado isn't changing anything debunked by this thread. Nor is it going to override common fvcking sense.
Scourge literally states the ending of KOTET by the letter during his conversation with the HOT, with the HOT being the one to slay the Emperor and take his (eternal) throne.
The novel, the Jedi Knight storyline and the expansions themselves all depict the HOT as the Outlander.
You've got nothing but denial of all basic intellect to claim otherwise.
Originally posted by AncientPower
If only the blurb in question was backed up by something in the actual canon, how unfortunate.
Plagueis blurb is backed up by arguable, though not infallible quotes and logic.
Outlander being HOT is backed up by arguable, though not infallible quotes and logic.
Point out the difference to me, other than you believe one and not the other. mmm
Originally posted by AncientPowerThat selective memory still working wonders for you huh?
It'd be pretty shameful for you to get your ass handed to you in every thread by a 'retard', fortunately for you, your bravado isn't changing anything debunked by this thread. Nor is it going to override common fvcking sense.
Scourge literally states the ending of KOTET by the letter during his conversation with the HOT, with the HOT being the one to slay the Emperor and take his (eternal) throne.Right, and the expansions also depict the Outlander as all of the other classes, there is even dialogue and stuff. weird.The novel, the Jedi Knight storyline and the expansions themselves all depict the HOT as the Outlander.
You've got nothing but denial of all basic intellect to claim otherwise.
Except the point here is that literally all of this is destined for the HoT, and the sheer likelihood is beyond speculation at this point, NewGuy, Skillz and Ant have all made the argument before me and without any kind of leeway to doubt it.
The Plagueis blurb doesn't have anywhere near as much supporting evidence and there's even doubt of this claim being accurate in the same damn book. 😂
No, that's not killing.
Yeah, pretty sure it is, lmao. He technically killed him, but Vitiate found some way to "cheat" death. That's like saying Vader didn't kill Sidious when he through him down the shaft - he did.
Right, so the concept works if we follow KMC head canon, and pretend words don't mean what they mean.
Nah, but you're entitled to believe what you will.
I ain't mad at you.
Threatening balance =/= upsetting the balance, you work out which is more impressive.
No, you just missed the point. That the act of the Force directing a champion to take down a threatening evil isn't that uncommon.
Yeah it pretty much is, since we only have 2 factual instances of it actually happening in canon, or Legends or whatever, where the Force anoints a single body - thousands of years ahead of time, to take out a dominating Force of evil.
Revan literally states that it's inevitable champions will rise up to face agents of the dark side, this is not hard to grasp.
When an agent of the darkside utterly threatens the balance of the Force, yeah. Something like that is only reserved for a select few.
Not seeing how this detracts from my point in anyway.
Originally posted by AncientPowerNo, the point is that there are eight different canon classes for SWTOR and all of it's expansions, and until BioWare state that one of these classes is canon above the others for any one expansion, they are equally valid, irrespective of what your personal head canon may be. 👆
Except the point here is that literally all of this is destined for the HoT, and the sheer likelihood is beyond speculation at this point, NewGuy, Skillz and Ant have all made the argument before me and without any kind of leeway to doubt it.The Plagueis blurb doesn't have anywhere near as much supporting evidence and there's even doubt of this claim being accurate in the same damn book. 😂
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
---Excerpt from Old Republic - [b]RevanThe Force wouldn't spawn the HoT, a prophesied champion of light to destroy Vitiate if it's balance wasn't in danger, or tipped in the darksides favor.
We can adhere to Beni's belief that it is just Revan opinion, but I don't see a reason too Revan was right about the a champion rising to kill Vitiate, as confirmed by Scourge:
---Excerpt from Old Republic - Revan
Revan was correct about a champion rising and ending Vitiate hence his death of Dramond Kaas, so I see no reason for him to be wrong on the balance bit when the entire reason he predicted a champion is because Vitiate is such a potent agent of darkness.
But whatever, you can take this for what you will, but that is the way I interpet the text and such. [/B]
As much as Beni can be distasteful at times, there's no denying that the statement is Revan's opinion and not a canonical fact.
Even if Revan's theory was true the feat isn't equivalent to the one Plagueis and Sidious accomplished because they did it with their own power while if Vitiate had managed to unbalance the Force it would have via his actions like having set in motion a Galaxy spanning war that caused untold death and destruction and not his power as a Force user.
That's assuming the interpretation that the Force was in danger of imbalance due to Vitiate's actions is valid which is in question. All Revan suggested was that the Force sought balance. I.E. a champion of the Light to face a champion of the Dark.
For me though, it doesn't seem likely that the Force would decide to take a direct hand in things as it did with Plagueis and Sidious.
Note: There's also a difference between causing an imbalance and causing a tangible shift in the cosmic balance on a Galactic scale. To clarify I believe Revan was noting the fact that because Vitiate was a powerful Darksider a powerful Lightside would rise up to meet him just as a mediocre Darksider would be met with a mediocre Lightsider. All things being equal.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yes, it did take a boatload of shit to make Vitiate the factual most powerful and dominating Force sensitive to eve live up to his time.However, Vitiate was never, as far as I know, actively trying to imbalance the Force. The ritual - the 8,000 Sith Lords - so on and so fourth, was all to make Vitiate more powerful on personal level and grant quasi immortality. He was never actively trying to participate in a tug-of-war with the Force, or it's agents. The effect Vitiate had on the Force's balance, or anything related to it, and what not, was strictly a by-product of his powers and insidious deeds, not the crux.
My point is: Vitiate was such an iniquitous anomaly in the Force, that the omnipresent energy field felt the need to spawn a prophesied champion of light, a thousands years in the making Plagueis and Sidious had much greater results and a significant more potent affect on the galaxy, but that was their goal they prepped for it, they sought it out and tried with all their might , and it was a shared feat that can't be just handed to one or the other.
Vitiate on the other hand greatly affected the Force by simply, and essentially, being him, and not trying to defy particularly.All I'm saying is, given the circumstances, I don't know how, or why people see that as the definitive Plagueis > all but Sidious argument. Vitiate never tried to unbalance the Force, but he never wanted to - his ultimate goal was to absorb the entire galaxy and the Force with it.
The critical problem with your argument is that it's completely dishonest. It's disingenuous as hell to attribute those amplifiers to Vitiate's "presence," which was boosted significantly by rituals, the power of eight thousand Sith Lords, a planet's worth of life energy, and fourteen centuries of activity.
Comparing that to Plagueis/Sidious's ritual, which was conducted between exactly two Sith Lords and spanned a couple of months, isn't particularly flattering for Vitiate.
And that's assuming I generously grant you your very liberal appraisal of Vitiate/HOT in the first place. (Which Beni has already debunked: it's based on nothing more than Revan's opinion.)
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You worry too much, my experiment won't be in vain. 🙂
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