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Originally posted by AncientPower
You're reading into it too much.

Nah, Boyd used the phrase "legitimate threat." Zen's right.

Revan is a legitimate threat to novel! Vitiate, we knew that in the book.

That is not the point.

Sure it is. Because this:

Originally posted by AncientPower
Further more, he states Revan is the only other person who ever stood up to him at nearly the degree that the Hotlander did on Ziost. I.E the only other person he couldn't just swat.

Is disingenuous. Boyd describes them both as legitimate threats, not the minor obstacles you'd like them to be considered.

I never said they were minor nor am I even arguing so, re-read the thread. You're making a false equivalence.

In July's installment of AP's Word or Phrase of the Month, we have "legitimate threat," which is defined thusly:

Originally posted by AncientPower
I.E the only other person he couldn't just swat.

Lmao.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It makes an enormous difference actually, most if not all arguments were predicated on Plagueis > Valkorion scaling via that quote, but now that's all down the drain. Now the argument has to be made via feats, which would be most humorous.

It can also be made via scaling in terms of RoT. Although I'm not a huge fan of the assumption that every RoT member is more powerful than the previous one, there are specific cases in which this cannot be refuted, and this particular one regarding Plagueis is one of them. Knowing that as of TPM Sidious and Plagueis are roughly equal, you can say with certainty Plagueis is indeed in Valkorion's ballpark.

Unless of course you rank TPM Sidious considerably lower than most people here do or if you don't consider him at the very least more powerful than Vitiate. Which would be ridiculous.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh noes! Plagueis has epic dark side will!

Originally posted by AncientPower
A great way of saying you have nothing to say.

Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao, as if Darth Plagueis's power was only judged by that novel blurb and not actual showings and accolades. 😂

Makes practically no difference, tbh.

It does and it doesn't. Is Hego still the second most powerful sith? Arguably yes. It's just not a definitive yes.

Originally posted by Petrus
Although I'm not a huge fan of the assumption that every RoT member is more powerful than the previous one

It's not an assumption. It's a fact. One supported since, what, 1999? Right up to 2015, as well.

if we're taking legitimate threat to be combative, wouldn't the quote also put the outlander above revan?

No, since they obviously aren't, since the Outlander isn't canonically a Jedi / Sith like we assume.

Originally posted by Petrus
It can also be made via scaling in terms of RoT. Although I'm not a huge fan of the assumption that every RoT member is more powerful than the previous one, there are specific cases in which this cannot be refuted, and this particular one regarding Plagueis is one of them. Knowing that as of TPM Sidious and Plagueis are roughly equal, you can say with certainty Plagueis is indeed in Valkorion's ballpark.

Unless of course you rank TPM Sidious considerably lower than most people here do or if you don't consider him at the very least more powerful than Vitiate. Which would be ridiculous.

Darth Plagueis is not close to Vitiate (SWTOR) in strength, let alone Valkorion.

I would rank Darth Plagueis on the level of Vitiate (Novel) in strength at maximum.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Between Revan (Reborn) and Yoda is the right position for Darth Plagueis and I consider these 3 to be very close.

Right, Yoda > Plagueis > Valk >> Revan. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's not an assumption. It's a fact. One supported since, what, 1999? Right up to 2015, as well.

But there are exceptions. And it's not a fact in canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, your assumption is ridiculous.

Darth Plagueis is not close to Vitiate (SWTOR) in strength, let alone Valkorion.

I would rank Darth Plagueis on the level of Vitiate (Novel) in strength at maximum.

You're basically saying TPM Sidious is not close to Vitiate in strength, which makes your argument ridiculous.

At maximum? Lol, because Novel Vitiate has showed a shitload of combative power and abilities. Plagueis > Novel Vitiate.

Originally posted by Petrus
But there are exceptions.

For a millennium, the Sith maintained the order in secrecy, passing down their evil heritage. As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.

Episode I: The Phantom Menace Scrapbook

Ultimately, Bane's plan produced more powerful Sith Lords with every generation.

Star Wars: Force & Destiny

Vitiate absorbs his home planet using the Force, killing everyone, before his first beard sets in.

TPM Sidious has no on-screen feats, and thirteen years later got dominated by Yoda and Mace, neither of which used Force powers to offensively KO him, and each disarmed him with relative ease.

Vitiate takes former Sith Lord and Force prodigy Revan and turns him inside out.

TPM Sidious >> Vitiate.

What. The. Actual. ****.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
TPM Sidious has no on-screen feats

Neither does Vitiate, what does that have to do with anything?