Which Superman clone is biggest ripoff?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I don't necessarily agree with you. I am a Sentry fan and always have been. But I'm not gonna willingly deny something. And I am not saying Hulkster is because I imagine he was just unaware of them scans.

They aren't arguing in circles like you say. They are making arguments they believe to be true. The only reason it could appear to be a circle is if the argument keeps going and going.

I don't think Sentry is a rip off. I just don't think that's true at all.

Ignore him. Rather than use on panel evidence to support his claim hes gonna keep screaming superman. Let it go Scot

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
His power level is definitely based on mindset. And relating to solar power references are made here.

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I don't generally have recollections from handbooks. They are still written by chosen fans and the editors and writers have nothing to do with them. Is there a scene in the comics that show him losing power due to losing confidence? Not saying that there is not, but I all recall is his power manifesting in specific ways according to his mental state.

I had forgotten that comic scene being that it is from something like the second page of the original miniseries and the next page, Bob, who knows that he is the Sentry, questions whether that particular memory is real of something he read in a comicbook. The idea of being powered by sunlight has since been contradicted and eventually totally discarded by Bendis. Sentry's true origin and powers/power source is still unrevealed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You kinda missed my point.

But yeah, am sure Namor has all these traits too.

And are you sure suns are not referenced? Not even...one million of them?

The point is that Namor being the first flying brick doesn't make Superman developing flight after a rip-off. PG referenced Hercules with regard to Superman, yet could one rightfully call Superman a Hercules rip-off? And I was referencing The Sun, as in Sol. He has the catch phrase of a million exploding suns, which describes power magnitude and most people don't take literally. Now there is one reference to The Sun that has been shown above.

Of course, I can write a far larger list of differences between the characters. I don't see a rip-off. I see influence. Sentry would be near the bottom of the list, just above Blue Marvel. Neither are rip-offs IMO.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't generally have recollections from handbooks. They are still written by chosen fans and the editors and writers have nothing to do with them. Is there a scene in the comics that show him losing power due to losing confidence? Not saying that there is not, but I all recall is his power manifesting in specific ways according to his mental state.

I had forgotten that comic scene being that it is from something like the second page of the original miniseries and the next page, Bob, who knows that he is the Sentry, questions whether that particular memory is real of something he read in a comicbook. The idea of being powered by sunlight has since been contradicted and eventually totally discarded by Bendis. Sentry's true origin and powers/power source is still unrevealed.

I was just showing you bits of info is all. Like as in you mentioned the solar power not being involved but just thought I'd share the scan so you saw it. Right or not just thought it'd be good.

Originally posted by h1a8
Which character is the biggest and most blatant ripoff than all the others?

Consider origin story, overall powers, appearance, etc.

Here are some candidates (but not limited to these):

Gladiator
Hyperion
Metroman
Sentry
Blue Marvel

Hyperion
Gladiator
Blue Marvel

Sentry should not be on that list.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I was just showing you bits of info is all. Like as in you mentioned the solar power not being involved but just thought I'd share the scan so you saw it. Right or not just thought it'd be good.

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Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I don't necessarily agree with you. I am a Sentry fan and always have been. But I'm not gonna willingly deny something. And I am not saying Hulkster is because I imagine he was just unaware of them scans.

They aren't arguing in circles like you say. They are making arguments they believe to be true.

The only reason it could appear to be a circle is if the argument keeps going and going.

I don't think Sentry is a rip off. I just don't think that's true at all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nuclear Man embodies everything I loved about the 80s. 👆

This is like the longest gif ever

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ignore him. Rather than use on panel evidence to support his claim hes gonna keep screaming superman. Let it go Scot

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its the word "ripoff" its demeaning. Homage and analogue are fine. Ripoff suggests parody or copyright infringement. Batman is based off the Shadow, Zorrow, Shelock etc for example yet noone calls him a rip off. Even Clark isnt a wholly original concept.

.. This is what it comes down to. YES Batman is a Shadow ripoff first and foremost. That doesn't take away from his greatness. Its just a fact. Intellectually honest people don't have a problem admitting it.

Next: Plutonian isn't a Superman ripoff. Right.

Originally posted by panthergod
If that were true they would be acknowledging the fact that tear their argument into shreads such as the verbatim quote from Sentry s co creator that acknowledges what any honest knowledgable person knows to be true--he's a Superman clone.

You don't like the term because you like the character. Clone=ripoff with less negative connotation. Everything about how the character has been presented as printed has Superman as its primary influence even the OTHER Superman analogues he retains elements from. The foundation of the character as printed is a Superman clone according to his co creator. That should end the dispute among intellectually honest people.

Yeah I'm not gonna go around again on what I've said. Got things to do. I'm happy to agree to disagree for now.

Originally posted by panthergod
Ive cited a half dozen Superman references proving the facts conclusively. You haven't refuted a single reference merely waved them away as you have little to no in depth knowledge of the subject at hand. Even your counter arguments referring to other Superman clones/analogues being his influence still prove my point. At this point, any claiming he isnt a Superman clone as his co creator acknowledged is deliberately lying.

Originally posted by panthergod
.. This is what it comes down to. YES Batman is a Shadow ripoff first and foremost. That doesn't take away from his greatness. Its just a fact. Intellectually honest people don't have a problem admitting it.

You havent proven anything actually. All youve done is bash those who disagree, create circular arguments, troll and try to brow beat. I can go panel for panel uploading scans of Miracle Man/Sentry and youll still scream Clark did it first without providing a shred of (panel) evidence.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You havent proven anything actually. All youve done is bash those who disagree, create circular arguments, troll and try to brow beat. I can go panel for panel uploading scans of Miracle Man/Sentry and youll still scream Clark did it first without providing a shred of (panel) evidence.

The fact that you don't read Superman comics isn't my problem. The references stand. King Superman, the Parasites Power Play, Invasion tie in arc showing him going schizo and having split personality of Gangbuster in the Superman books leading into Exile, Red Glass, Blaze/ Sattanish War Aftermath/
Kismets first appearance, Krypton Man Arc, and yes, I posted the video link to Superman III for a schitzo Superman internal higher self vs shadow Jungian reintegration portrayal and visual proof for Superman IV a Quest for Peaces Nuclear Man, a literal Superman clone that is a spilliting image of Sentry. .Refute them or you concede. You can't and won't even try.

Veitch a guy whose an expert on Superman having written 2 of the best Superman portrayals in his Swamp Thing and Question series and on Superman clones having created Maximortal and drawn Alan Moore s Supreme-- another Superman ripoff blatantly -- and Sentry s co creator acknowledged that Sentry as printed is a Superman clone. That ends your argument conclusively. And All honest people know it .

This stance:

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant see it. They have absolutely no similarities outside of being flying bricks. Its a lazy comparison imo

Is laughable to people who are actually genuinely knowledgable about the character.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sentry is NOT a superman clone.

Hyperion is the closest

Originally posted by Facee
Hyperion
Gladiator
Blue Marvel

Sentry should not be on that list.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
This is like the longest gif ever

No. Not even close to it.

It is long by average gif standards, though.

Originally posted by panthergod
Miracleman is a Superman analogue by way of Captain Marvel a legally proven Copyright infringement of Superman and Superfolks another blatant Superman parody.

The fact that you don't read Superman comics isn't my problem. The references stand. King Superman, the Parasites Power Play, Invasion tie in arc showing him going schizo and having split personality of Gangbuster in the Superman books leading into Exile, Red Glass, Blaze/ Sattanish War Aftermath/
Kismets first appearance, Krypton Man Arc, and yes, I posted the video link to Superman III for a schitzo Superman internal higher self vs shadow Jungian reintegration portrayal and visual proof for Superman IV a Quest for Peaces Nuclear Man, a literal Superman clone that is a spilliting image of Sentry. .Refute them or you concede. You can't and won't even try.

Veitch a guy whose an expert on Superman having written 2 of the best Superman portrayals in his Swamp Thing and Question series and on Superman clones having created Maximortal and drawn Alan Moore s Supreme-- another Superman ripoff blatantly -- and Sentry s co creator acknowledged that Sentry as printed is a Superman clone. That ends your argument conclusively. And All honest people know it .

I already stated the Sentry was an homage ad naseum. At this point youre just regurgitating failed arguments in search of a consession when there is none coming.

As for Veitch, if youd read the article youd also note that initially Sentry was a meta tiered completely original "iron man-daredevil level character. Once Lee/Jenkins ursurped his control is when the Superman resemblance came into play.

But i digress...agree to disagree for the umpteenth time.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. Not even close to it.

It is long by average gif standards, though.

I havent see longer ones that werent videos