Originally posted by TheHulkster
According to the link below, that's not so much the case.http://www.rickveitch.com/?s=sentry
"Jenkins and I had envisioned SENTRY as a completely original mid-level superhero, on the level of IRON MAN or DAREDEVIL. In the series he became one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe; pretty much a SUPERMAN clone dressed in the requisite cape and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound etc."
Sentry eventually became Superman-like later on and based solely on power level and cape. Starting at the bottom of the page, one can see that the concept started with the desire for a drug addled character and the original concept art was quite different.
Case closed.
Originally posted by panthergod
You do realize this still proves the point actually. Sentry as printed is a Superman clone. According to his co creator. A guy who knows a thing or two about Superman analogues having written Maximortal. Another Superman parody.Case closed.
You're arguing that he's a rip-off. Most in this thread agree to the clone label semantics but not the rip-off label. Clones are similar mostly in superficial ways, predominantly powers and abilities and a cape adds to it. Beyond that, Sentry is very unsimilar and the link shows that Superman was not the bases for the character's creation. Veitch specifically uses the clone label to describe him as having a cape and superstrength.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
You're arguing that he's a rip-off. Most in this thread agree to the clone label semantics but not the rip-off label. Clones are similar mostly in superficial ways, predominantly powers and abilities and a cape adds to it. Beyond that, Sentry is very unsimilar and the link shows that Superman was not the bases for the character's creation. Veitch specifically uses the clone label to describe him as having a cape and superstrength.
So you're reduced to dishonest semantics at this point. Got it.
Superman it the basis of the character that saw print. Anything before that is irrelevant. Superman was originally a bald telepathic supervillain before he saw print. What saw print was Space Moses/Samson Hercules Gilgamesh Michael the Archangel/Hugo Danner/Doc Savage/Tarzan/John Carter amalgamation.
Batman had a red bodysuit Domino mask and glider wings before he saw print. What saw print was a blatant Shadow/Zorro clone.
Sentry as printed is a Superman ripoff aka clone and there's nothing you can do to change that.
Originally posted by panthergod
So you're reduced to dishonest semantics at this point. Got it.Superman it the basis of the character that saw print. Anything before that is irrelevant. Superman was originally a bald telepathic supervillain before he saw print. What saw print was Space Moses/Samson Hercules Gilgamesh Michael the Archangel/Hugo Danner/Doc Savage/Tarzan/John Carter amalgamation.
Batman had a red bodysuit Domino mask and glider wings before he saw print. What saw print was a blatant Shadow/Zorro clone.
Sentry as printed is a Superman ripoff aka clone and there's nothing you can do to change that.
So flying brick Superman is a Namor clone/rip-off. Thanks.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
So flying brick Superman is a Namor clone/rip-off. Thanks.
It's the flying brick, the alliterative names,the cape, the weak alter ego, the robot manservant (Kelex for Supes, CLOC for Sentry), the reference to the sun in their powers....and the highly debatable 'power levels dependent on mindset' thing.
Originally posted by riv6672that IS the kind of subtle, yet humorous reply I would post, and I do feel I am deserving of the occassional homage, but I dont remember replying to anything I posted tonight.
Thought you were an homage.
So, I guess u probably ARE a separate entity from me.
Probably. But, either way, we come away winners!
Im glad we had this talk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's the flying brick, the alliterative names,the cape, the weak alter ego, the robot manservant (Kelex for Supes, CLOC for Sentry), the reference to the sun in their powers....and the highly debatable 'power levels dependent on mindset' thing.
Superman doesn't have a weak alter ego. He has a disguised alter ego. Sentry is more in line with Hulk and Thor with regard to a weak alter ego.
CLOC is a computer. Kelex is a robot more in line with H.E.R.B.I.E of the Fantastic Four.
Sentry's power level is not really based on mindset.
The Sun is never referenced in Sentry's power and his power is not solar based.
Regarding alliterative names, the lists on the two links below sort of dispel the notion that having alliterative names in you mythos is copying Superman.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120217/which-marvel-characters-have-alliterative-names
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120334/which-dc-characters-have-alliterative-names
Alliterative names are comicbook classic and the intent was to give Sentry a classic feel with regard to his flashbacks.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Superman doesn't have a weak alter ego. He has a disguised alter ego. Sentry is more in line with Hulk and Thor with regard to a weak alter ego.CLOC is a computer. Kelex is a robot more in line with H.E.R.B.I.E of the Fantastic Four.
Sentry's power level is not really based on mindset.
The Sun is never referenced in Sentry's power and his power is not solar based.
Regarding alliterative names, the lists on the two links below sort of dispel the notion that having alliterative names in you mythos is copying Superman.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120217/which-marvel-characters-have-alliterative-names
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120334/which-dc-characters-have-alliterative-names
Alliterative names are comicbook classic and the intent was to give Sentry a classic feel with regard to his flashbacks.
You kinda missed my point.
But yeah, am sure Namor has all these traits too.
And are you sure suns are not referenced? Not even...one million of them?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Superman doesn't have a weak alter ego. He has a disguised alter ego. Sentry is more in line with Hulk and Thor with regard to a weak alter ego.CLOC is a computer. Kelex is a robot more in line with H.E.R.B.I.E of the Fantastic Four.
Sentry's power level is not really based on mindset.
The Sun is never referenced in Sentry's power and his power is not solar based.
Regarding alliterative names, the lists on the two links below sort of dispel the notion that having alliterative names in you mythos is copying Superman.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120217/which-marvel-characters-have-alliterative-names
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120334/which-dc-characters-have-alliterative-names
Alliterative names are comicbook classic and the intent was to give Sentry a classic feel with regard to his flashbacks.
His power level is definitely based on mindset. And relating to solar power references are made here.
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Originally posted by panthergod
Its pathetic the circles they'll argue in to deny the obvious fact that Sentry is a Superman ripoff.. Including using his co creator acknowledging that he's a Superman clone.. Lmaooo
I don't necessarily agree with you. I am a Sentry fan and always have been. But I'm not gonna willingly deny something. And I am not saying Hulkster is because I imagine he was just unaware of them scans.
They aren't arguing in circles like you say. They are making arguments they believe to be true. The only reason it could appear to be a circle is if the argument keeps going and going.
I don't think Sentry is a rip off. I just don't think that's true at all.