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Originally posted by KingD19
Yet with 30 Time Remnants, and about 3-5 minutes of chanting, he still somehow managed to not stop Vixen from fixing the world and snatching the Spear of Destiny from her.
Everyone has there PIS moment...
Based on what we have seen from Eobard, the above is the exception opposed to the rule...
Can RF even kill Groot? He doesn't have normal human physiology, so conventional phase attacks might just annoy him. Also, RF has been tagged by non-speedsters while engaged with other opponents multiple times before. He's fast, one-on-one, but he is also cocky as f***, and can leave himself open to blindside attacks. And that's not PIS. It's simply Thawne's character, as shown throughout his various appearances.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And that's not PIS. It's simply Thawne's character, as shown throughout his various appearances.
yeah well by that logic the GotG would lose because they always bicker and fight which would prevent them from mounting a proper offence because its in their character to do so
Anyway, not saying the Guardians would win. Just that RF isn't untouchable in fights where he takes on multiple non-fodder opponents at once.
I mainly wonder whether he can actually put Groot down. As I already mentioned, there is no guarantee that his usual phase attack will have the desired result, and I can't think of anything else in his offensive arsenal that will do the job either.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Except they have shown the ability to come up with effective team strategies while bickering with each other. RF has gotten himself tagged by the likes of Green Arrow, Firestorm, the Waverider and more, because he likes to grandstand.
Except he didn't want to kill them. He wanted them too suffer under his new timeline.
He is however fully willing to kill under normal circumstances.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except he didn't want to kill them. He wanted them too suffer under his new timeline.He is however fully willing to kill under normal circumstances.
He was trying to kill Flash, Arrow and Firestorm during the end of S1 of Flash. Yet he ended up unconscious and captured instead. He also got tagged by Firestorm in a much earlier episode, when focused on the Flash, and ran away. And he got hit by the Waverider, while focused on Rip, in a LoT episode. And those are just examples off the top of my head. And none of that had anything to do with his new timeline. It's been shown time and time again that all the CW Speedsters can get tagged by non-speedters when distracted. Even Zoom and Savitar got tagged by Killer Frost while they were focused on other opponents.
Reverse Flash got killed by an ice gun. They're not infallible.
Oh, and on the topic of the new reality, Merlin and Darhk told Thawne repeatedly that he should just kill the Legends, but his cockiness made them fail multiple times before he got 30 clones and still somehow didn't do anything worthwhile.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He was trying to kill Flash, Arrow and Firestorm during the end of S1 of Flash. Yet he ended up unconscious and captured instead. He also got tagged by Firestorm in a much earlier episode, when focused on the Flash, and ran away. And he got hit by the Waverider, while focused on Rip, in a LoT episode. And those are just examples off the top of my head. And none of that had anything to do with his new timeline. It's been shown time and time again that all the CW Speedsters can get tagged by non-speedters when distracted. Even Zoom and Savitar got tagged by Killer Frost while they were focused on other opponents.
Sure when they're distracted. But why would he be distracted here? Assuming he doesn't know know them.
Also Flash and Firestorm together would be a difficult fight for him even if not distracted. And I'm guessing he wasn't out to kill RIP.
You could argue that the chances of getting tagged increase with more opponents, but then when providing past examples we have to look at
1) the quality/strength of opponents
2) if they were actually out for the KO/Kill
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sure when they're distracted. But why would he be distracted here? Assuming he doesn't know know them.Also Flash and Firestorm together would be a difficult fight for him even if not distracted. And I'm guessing he wasn't out to kill RIP.
You could argue that the chances of getting tagged increase with more opponents, but then when providing past examples we have to look at
1) the quality/strength of opponents
2) if they were actually out for the KO/Kill
Because, like all the other instances, they focus on a single opponent, and there are five here?
Starlord, who has blasters that can tear through alien ships and obliterate Ego's avatar, plus can fly and has other gadgets.
Gamora, who has superhuman stats, arguably better fighting skill than anyone Thawne has taken on, with the possible exception of Green Arrow.
Groot, who has super strength, superhuman toughness, and can stretch his vines out over large distances. And no one has, as of yet, given solid evidence that RF could even put him down.
Drax, who is way tougher than anyone Thawne has ever fought, much stronger than him, and a skilled fighter.
And Rocket, who always carries things like explosives, beyond his guns, and is great at improvising on the go.
And all of them have shown that they are more than willing to kill. So, tell me, when has RF ever beaten a group of that caliber, and done so without getting tagged once?
Oh, and he was definitely trying to kill during his S1 fight with the trio. He even tried his chest phase attack on Arrow at one point. Whereas the team was fighting to KO him.